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Sounded like fairly staunch opposition on the call.

Surprised to hear Paul Hamilton in favor of even the continuance.

Happy to hear Bill O'Dell's testimony too.

It helps when the neighbors speak out, and the redevelopment ordinance is clear this use was not desired.

I was informed by my condo association it was a unanimous decision to deny the public storage units at 2350 Chouteau.  

How is this rejected but the Kingshighway proposal is unanimously approved?

The neighborhood came out in strong opposition. There is also a redevelopment ordinance that forbids storage.
The Board thinks the site has higher potential than self storage whereas the site on Kingshighway does not.

I say the car blight of the wealth-mine gas station across Jefferson is infecting this site as evidenced by this proposal. Somehow that wasn't obvious when the destruction of three human-scaled buildings was approved for it.

^Christine Ingrassia lost a lot of my respect when she went to bat for QT, of all things. 

Change of course?
$3M zoning-only building permit application submitted for COMM/RES at 2350 Chouteau

What is 'comm/res'?

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 13, 2025

What is 'comm/res'?

Commercial/Residential

I recall seeing a post on LinkedIn recently where the developer of 2200 LaSalle was getting ready to move forward with a second building, so we might be seeing an additional new building here soon.

Thanks for the pics, Chris. Do you mean a building on that corner lot that has the trailer (in the first pic), or another building of a similar size to those recently completed/under construction?

^ & ^^  Yep, 

Chris, I was a little confused as well by your comment as it relates to the pics posted.   Hopefully, it is forthcoming/additional infill on the corner with office/construction trailer on it.   The first pic.

Thanks as well for the photos.

I thought the empty lot with the trailer is space for the townhomes to fully build out.  And, then I would have thought other buildings from 2200 LaSalle would come on larger lots - perhaps those that front Chouteau.

dredger wrote: ↑

Aug 29, 2025

^ & ^^  Yep, 

Chris, I was a little confused as well by your comment as it relates to the pics posted.   Hopefully, it is forthcoming/additional infill on the corner with office/construction trailer on it.   The first pic.

Thanks as well for the photos.

I meant that a future building similar in scope to 2200 LaSalle is likely on the way and will be built on one of the lots closer to Chouteau. 

quincunx wrote: ↑

Aug 13, 2025

Change of course?
$3M zoning-only building permit application submitted for COMM/RES at 2350 Chouteau

A new apartment building fronting Chouteau could be related to this re-zoning request, although the permit is for commercial/residential renovations of the existing building (at the corner of Jefferson). It's a large parcel, though, and there may be enough vacant land on the eastern half of the lot to also accomodate a sizeable multi-family. The adjacent parcel to the east is directly north of the 2200 Lasalle apartment building and is owned by the same entity, so this would be a logical site for a new multi-fam from that ownership.  (Not sure of any relationship to the 2350 Chouteau owners, but they have separate names and mailing addresses.)

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Aug 31, 2025

dredger wrote: ↑

Aug 29, 2025

^ & ^^  Yep, 

Chris, I was a little confused as well by your comment as it relates to the pics posted.   Hopefully, it is forthcoming/additional infill on the corner with office/construction trailer on it.   The first pic.

Thanks as well for the photos.

I meant that a future building similar in scope to 2200 LaSalle is likely on the way and will be built on one of the lots closer to Chouteau. 

Thanks

Lol

StlMag - Backers of Lafayette Square self-storage facility have a plan to win city approval: adding 5 residential units

In recent years, Negri says neighbors have been told the development Graddy is pursuing is “the best Lafayette Square could hope for” because of the presence of a Quik Trip across the street.

“We have tried to recruit a number of people with that site,” he said. “We’ve interviewed a lot of prospective clients for that business and they have all turned it down. Most recently the reason they’re turning it down is because of the violence coming from across the street.”

https://www.stlmag.com/business/lafayet ... e-project/

If only this could have been very easily predicted when the QT was proposed 10 years ago.

I have lasting contempt for Christine Ingrassia pushing through that awful QT and demolishing the historic pedestrian scaled buildings at Jefferson & Chouteau because of "neighborhood support."

What's stopping the city from shutting down the QT like it did with the Shell station downtown like a year ago?

They should shut down more of these and utilize the path they did with the Shell. The BP on Delmar is one I particularly think is really holding the area between the loop and debaliviere back. The whole area has an uneasy feel about it because of the abandoned strip mall and that gas station across from each other. There’s a couple gas stations and liquor stores that need the same treatment on Kingshighway right above Delmar. If we are going to overcome the divide, these places gotta go.

With QT, it just might be harder because they are a big company with financial and legal firepower.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Aug 13, 2025

Change of course?
$3M zoning-only building permit application submitted for COMM/RES at 2350 Chouteau

Issued

quincunx wrote: ↑

3:51 PM - Jan 31

quincunx wrote: ↑

Aug 13, 2025

Change of course?
$3M zoning-only building permit application submitted for COMM/RES at 2350 Chouteau

Issued

Where are the updated plans?

See the Stl Mag article

The building permit has been issued