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THANK YOU quincunx!

wabash wrote: ↑

Mar 13, 2022

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Mar 13, 2022

did I see gas stoves?For a modern redo thats not very modern lets get beyond gas https://twitter.com/weact4ej/status/1490773520619556871

That would make sense if 90% of St. Louis' electricity came from nuclear, hydro, and gas the way New York's does. But firing up your electric stove with 1/3 coal energy for the next 15-20 years is truly not very modern.

Well until recently it was more like 2/3 coal so let's plan for a future the way installing gas stoves that would last for 20 years would not. Electrifying everything is vitally important for surviving climate change. 

let's plan for a future
Thank you PeterXCV
"hey honey did you see the Butler apts have induction range/ovens.? Wow awesome I always wanted to see what cooking with one was like. Lets check out the Butler apts!"

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 13, 2022

wabash wrote: ↑

Mar 13, 2022

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Mar 13, 2022

did I see gas stoves?For a modern redo thats not very modern lets get beyond gas https://twitter.com/weact4ej/status/1490773520619556871

That would make sense if 90% of St. Louis' electricity came from nuclear, hydro, and gas the way New York's does. But firing up your electric stove with 1/3 coal energy for the next 15-20 years is truly not very modern.

Well until recently it was more like 2/3 coal so let's plan for a future the way installing gas stoves that would last for 20 years would not. Electrifying everything is vitally important for surviving climate change. 

Indeed, hopefully in 20ish years the grid in St. Louis will be green enough for an electric stove to be environmentally preferable. The lifespan of a gas stove is about 15 or so years. The lifespan of an electric stove closer to 12. So, hopefully - although Missouri and Ameren aren't exactly leaders in renewable energy adoption, with Labadie currently anticipated to operate through 2042 - by the time the stoves in Buter Brothers need to be replaced, it will make sense to transition to electric. Burning coal to cook for the interim 15 years would be poor planning. Same goes for buying an electric car - if you buy an electric car today, with the intention of owning it for 6-7 years, and it's running on 30-60% coal during that time, is that any better than running it on gasoline?

Has anyone used an induction stove?

I hate the thought of cooking with an electric cooktop. I realize, it's a skill I'll have to learn eventually, I guess. 

^ I've been using an induction cooktop for 2 years and it is definitely superior to gas. I've not used an electric cooktop in about 20 years, but it was significantly inferior to gas.

We do just fine with electric but than again I don’t do any cooking

^To be completely fair, induction cooktops are apparently a different ballgame from the electric ranges of anytime before about Y2K. They heat the bottom of appropriate cookware magnetically. (The heat is actually generated in the pan itself.) I've never personally used one, so I don't want to weigh in on how well they work, but the reviews are generally stunning. The one big downside I can think of is that you can't use them at all with a lot of older cookware. You need stuff with a magnetic bottom. They're also apparently rather noisy. Anyway, since I don't know much about them myself I watched a youtube video. Short answer: induction cooktops are a totally different thing from your usual electric stove. A much better thing. And I'm forced to admit they probably trump even the sacred gas in most ways. (Though the sound seems awful.)

quincunx wrote:Has anyone used an induction stove?

We do! Literally just replaced our gas stove with it two days ago.

You’ve never seen something boil water so fast. Also, the surface is barely hot to the touch as it just heats the pan. My cats can now walk across without getting injured.


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Does it make audible noise?

quincunx wrote:Does it make audible noise?

A low hum, and for the first few seconds as it recognizes the pan, it has a slightly louder hum.


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thank you brianadler6545! Its hard to move some old fossils along on here!

chris fuller wrote:thank you brianadler6545! Its hard to move some old fossils along on here!

Hah, I’d say the folks on UrbanSTL are usually the more considerate and open minded type than in other platforms and I enjoy almost everyone here. That said, it certainly seems like out of nowhere there is a lot of movement on gas and electric ranges.

I really do love our induction range. I would never want to go back. It is a little tricky making sure all your pans and pots are compatible, but it really just (for us) is a much better experience. I couldn’t recommend it more.


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Is that for an elevator?

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Mar 14, 2022

chris fuller wrote:thank you brianadler6545! Its hard to move some old fossils along on here!

Hah, I’d say the folks on UrbanSTL are usually the more considerate and open minded type than in other platforms and I enjoy almost everyone here. That said, it certainly seems like out of nowhere there is a lot of movement on gas and electric ranges.

I really do love our induction range. I would never want to go back. It is a little tricky making sure all your pans and pots are compatible, but it really just (for us) is a much better experience. I couldn’t recommend it more.


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They certainly look easy to clean. All the advantages of a flush top electric and none of the disadvantages. I'll definitely look at one when the time comes to replace our stove. (Which my wife hates, so that time may come soon.) Glad to hear the noise isn't too loud. The video made it seem really annoying, but that may just be a balance issue.

The solution here is to obviously use a wood burning stove. Or better yet, a Dutch oven.

StlToday - Construction to begin on 380-unit downtown St. Louis apartment building

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... d94ec.html

I find the scale difference between this building and the White Knight diner next door almost comical. It makes the Butler Brothers building seem that much larger, and the White Knight that much smaller, not that they needed any help. There's just something about the contrast between the two that strikes me as particularly interesting or odd.