MLS Stadium and District

JJ Rivera · PostSep 28, 2021#8262021-09-28T19:28+00:00

pattimagee wrote:Just an idea of what it looked like in Cincy - if they could figure out how to get a shot like this on Market looking east...

That looks fire!! Let’s see if STL City allows something like that! I don’t see why not! They close Market all the time!

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Black02AltimaSE · PostSep 28, 2021#8272021-09-28T19:31+00:00

Schlafly has always been a supporter of the Louligans so having the tailgate/pregame there is a natural fit. As a Louligan, given the pregame drinking and the general fitness level of the average Louligan, the march from Schlafly is plenty. But alternatives as long as a march from the Arch to the stadium have been suggested. A lot will depend on what, if any, other supporters' groups are founded between now and 2023. It would be great to have groups from all over downtown converging on the stadium. If anyone would like to find out more about the Louligans and soccer fans in general in St. Louis, there is an event Saturday, October 16 at 6 pm at 2nd Shift Brewery (1601 Sublette Ave #2, St. Louis, MO 63110).

pattimagee · PostSep 28, 2021#8282021-09-28T19:41+00:00

I've been to a handful of events in the past... but I will have a mini-supporters group of 8 that will start going to the tailgates with y'all.

I just love this view of the city, and it would look so good with a bunch of supporters marching on it.

urban_dilettante · PostSep 28, 2021#8292021-09-28T21:57+00:00

^ it would be so much better without a seven-lane stroad down the middle. plenty of room for a planted median, two lanes of traffic in each direction, and separated bikes lanes on both sides.

sc4mayor · PostSep 29, 2021#8302021-09-29T15:56+00:00

^ I know west of the stadium GRG has plans already in design for a large greenway along Market that will do largely what you say. My guess is that will eventually come to the stretch of Market between the stadium and the Arch as I think GRG eventually has plans to continue that "hallway" between Compton and the Arch.

Regarding the bar conversation...I'd love to see Amsterdam Tavern open a satellite location near the stadium.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostSep 29, 2021#8312021-09-29T16:04+00:00

Anyone know who controls the old Imo's across from the Police HQ?

That seems prime for something...

moorlander · PostSep 29, 2021#8322021-09-29T16:13+00:00

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Anyone know who controls the old Imo's across from the Police HQ?

That seems prime for something...

OLIVE AND 20TH INC
C/O MARK BREDENKOETTER (Owner of Realty Service Group, LLC)

P O BOX 151
VALLEY PARK, MO 63088

Interesting past. Not sure what to make of it.

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TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostSep 29, 2021#8332021-09-29T16:15+00:00

So I can't tell from this if it's going to be owned by the Soccer Stadium or if it is a new dispensary.

Either way, was hoping for an ideal location for themed bar with rooftop deck.

dbInSouthCity · PostSep 29, 2021#8342021-09-29T16:21+00:00

I feel like I post this in this thread/forum like once every other month

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ksdk.c ... a2c3ba32c1

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostSep 29, 2021#8352021-09-29T19:07+00:00

Thanks for doing so again...All is made clear (cough, cough).

wabash · PostOct 02, 2021#8362021-10-02T05:05+00:00

Some of the recent Google Streetview updates give a sense of how this will look along Olive:

sc4mayor · PostOct 02, 2021#8372021-10-02T12:51+00:00

^ Nice spot. Good to see the street views finally getting updated.

sc4mayor · PostOct 12, 2021#8382021-10-12T15:41+00:00

St. Louis soccer team touts retail, potential for events at new stadium parking garage
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... b5af2.html

The ownership group, consisting of Enterprise Rent-A-Car’s Taylor family and World Wide Technology CEO Jim Kavanaugh, want the stadium, at North 20th and Market streets, to lure foot traffic with concerts and other community events when it opens for the 2023 season.

Nothing says luring foot traffic like a parking garage. /s

I also think it’s pretty dumb they at least wouldn’t build this thing with the ability to put something on top in the future.

brianadler6545 · PostOct 12, 2021#8392021-10-12T16:39+00:00

Love the soccer club but this sucks.

Pop up events gives me the impression that most of the time these bays will be idle and closed. It stings that it isn’t even permanent retail.

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quincunx · PostOct 12, 2021#8402021-10-12T17:22+00:00

I didn't get the memo that preservationists were on board now.

urbanitas · PostOct 12, 2021#8412021-10-12T21:43+00:00

What was the point of this press release?

There's nothing new that wasn't already implied in the last release. And yes, "pop-up retail" means it'll only be open when there's something going on in the surrounding blocks, so just a glorified fan apparel and souvenir booth.

And I still don't understand why it's only four levels.

gone corporate · PostOct 12, 2021#8422021-10-12T21:58+00:00

^Think the press release is just to get more attention on themselves as they keep building. You know, to keep public interests in soccer growing as we're between baseball and hockey seasons. I'd bet it's only 4 stories so the damn thing's not taller than the stadium, literally so the garage doesn't overshadow it. Damn thing really should've been under the practice fields south of Market.

urban_dilettante · PostOct 12, 2021#8432021-10-12T22:35+00:00

"officials say." "preservationists support." journalism has become making sh*t up and hoping that people don't notice you have no sources. there's no way to spin the demo of 1900 Olive and this f*cking garage that makes the ownership not look like lying *ssholes.

sc4mayor · PostOct 12, 2021#8442021-10-12T22:55+00:00

^ Agreed, but they got quotes from a significant preservationist for this. Maybe they’re false, and if they are I suspect Mr. Weil could sue the PD. But I have a sneaking suspicion Landmarks caved.

“In the grand scheme of things, this development ... is already having a major positive impact for the future of Union Station and many other currently vacant historic buildings,” Weil said in an email. “We applaud its ownership group for choosing to make such a significant investment in downtown St. Louis.”

urbanitas · PostOct 12, 2021#8452021-10-12T23:00+00:00

gone corporate wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2021
^Think the press release is just to get more attention on themselves as they keep building. You know, to keep public interests in soccer growing as we're between baseball and hockey seasons. I'd bet it's only 4 stories so the damn thing's not taller than the stadium, literally so the garage doesn't overshadow it. Damn thing really should've been under the practice fields south of Market.

I can't believe anyone with the team is so tone deaf that they could imagine that a reminder that they demolished several buildings to put up a bland parking garage would somehow promote interest in, well...anything.

And if they are concerned about nearby buildings overshadowing their shiny, new stadium, that really does not bode well for future development.

PostOct 12, 2021#8462021-10-12T23:03+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2021
^ Agreed, but they got quotes from a significant preservationist for this. Maybe they’re false, and if they are I suspect Mr. Weil could sue the PD. But I have a sneaking suspicion Landmarks caved.
“In the grand scheme of things, this development ... is already having a major positive impact for the future of Union Station and many other currently vacant historic buildings,” Weil said in an email. “We applaud its ownership group for choosing to make such a significant investment in downtown St. Louis.”

Enjoy your field level season tickets, Mr. Weil!

sc4mayor · PostOct 12, 2021#8472021-10-12T23:08+00:00

^^ It does promote interest though. For people like us here these articles don’t do that. For people that care about urban design, preservation, the built environment, etc. there’s nothing here for any of us.

But for the VAST majority of metro St. Louis residents…this is what progress looks like. I’ve seen this shared on Facebook on KMOX, the PD, the BJ, KSDK, etc. Based on the reactions, people love it. We hate it, rightfully so…because we understand what additional parking garages mean for the city. But to your average suburban St. Louis rube…this is “progress” and that drives clicks. Hence all the interest.

dbInSouthCity · PostOct 12, 2021#8482021-10-12T23:16+00:00

Isn’t Weil talking about the stadium and not necessarily just the garage?

sc4mayor · PostOct 12, 2021#8492021-10-12T23:26+00:00

I’m honestly not even upset about a parking garage. What pisses me off is that permanent retail doesn’t wrap around the 20th and Olive Street sides plus the ability to build an office or hotel or residential tower on top.

Why not plan for the future with something like that? This is basically a slightly smaller, better and more dressed up Stadium East garage. And that’s not a good thing.

urban_dilettante · PostOct 13, 2021#8502021-10-13T00:02+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2021
^ Agreed, but they got quotes from a significant preservationist for this. Maybe they’re false, and if they are I suspect Mr. Weil could sue the PD. But I have a sneaking suspicion Landmarks caved.
“In the grand scheme of things, this development ... is already having a major positive impact for the future of Union Station and many other currently vacant historic buildings,” Weil said in an email. “We applaud its ownership group for choosing to make such a significant investment in downtown St. Louis.”

not saying Weil didn't say that, but Weil does not speak for "preservationists", and that's how this garbage fluff piece presents it.

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