Clark said Thursday that the Bottle District is now under contract and is slated to become a truck dealership.
What's Phase 1?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2021Spoke to some people involved, Clark’s plan is $1b and it can still be done in phase 2.
I guess my thought is why wouldn't have strings attached to any settlement? They are the ones parting with cash.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2021Why would any money from the Rams have strings attached?
They aren’t going to say here is 600 million but you have to do X with it. I can’t imagine they care what it is used for. They want to give up as little as possible and aren’t going to say well we will throw in X more if you do this with it.
How many settlements have strings attached on how you get to spend to the money they pay out?dredger wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021I guess my thought is why wouldn't have strings attached to any settlement? They are the ones parting with cash.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2021Why would any money from the Rams have strings attached?
They aren’t going to say here is 600 million but you have to do X with it. I can’t imagine they care what it is used for. They want to give up as little as possible and aren’t going to say well we will throw in X more if you do this with it.
Think of this way, your a sports league owner and you agree to hand over cash to a region you just left the market for a bigger market. However, the market you left is still a market that a upstart pro league had a good year in. An upstart league needs markets like St. Louis so why not try to hamstring any future uses of the dome for a future competing league. Good way to do it is see the dome go away.
But I hear everyone, Clark gone fishing is probably the reality and if he can get a $1 billion dollar new convention center to happen in a couple years their is a good chance its his company completing for the work & having a legit shot at getting it.. So why not.
So you don’t think is smarter to invest the money to generate more revenue for future years? Instead of a one time thing?Laife Fulk wrote:IF (and this is a huge if) there's a settlement and the city winds up with even $100M, outside of what the current convention center plans require, that money needs to go to fixing basic infrastructure, public safety, social services, and education. Another mega silver bullet project is not the best way to spend any possible NFL compensation. Dreaming up grand plans for replacing the Dome with the settlement money just feels like another wasted opportunity to actually fix the city's biggest issues.
I also agree.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021IF (and this is a huge if) there's a settlement and the city winds up with even $100M, outside of what the current convention center plans require, that money needs to go to fixing basic infrastructure, public safety, social services, and education. Another mega silver bullet project is not the best way to spend any possible NFL compensation. Dreaming up grand plans for replacing the Dome with the settlement money just feels like another wasted opportunity to actually fix the city's biggest issues.
They're already investing money to generate more revenue for future years. Without needing to syphon off any potential NFL settlement money. Let the current convention center expansion happen, and put whatever NFL cash they eventually receive towards programs that desperately need attention.JJ Rivera wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021So you don’t think is smarter to invest the money to generate more revenue for future years? Instead of a one time thing?Laife Fulk wrote:IF (and this is a huge if) there's a settlement and the city winds up with even $100M, outside of what the current convention center plans require, that money needs to go to fixing basic infrastructure, public safety, social services, and education. Another mega silver bullet project is not the best way to spend any possible NFL compensation. Dreaming up grand plans for replacing the Dome with the settlement money just feels like another wasted opportunity to actually fix the city's biggest issues.
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Speaking of options. I still can’t believe a deal wasn’t struck to acquire that awful Holiday Inn that will now be sitting right outside the lovely new entrance. With that lot and adjacent parking lot to the south, the CVC could have added a lot more contiguous space to push them closer toward that 1 million square foot marker. If I’m not mistaken, there’s even an additional lot to the west where they could have built a better holiday inn to replace the old one if that would have been a reason for not selling.PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021I think the time is now to consider all options for the convention center & dome. While Bob Clark means well I don’t think he has the financial power to do it on his own however his idea is very plausible. The convention center and dome have really disconnected our street grid I would rather them take their time review all options rather than puzzling more additions on a center that’s still not good enough to compete with other cities our size. The dome will be another building/ facility that the city will soon allow to decay because of the expense. I say the city should put the expansion plans on hold and re-evaluate everything. If they are willing to spend 200 million on another puzzle piece for the convention center why not go all in and build a brand new center that not only competes with cities our size but cities larger and completely restores the street grid. I’m ok with the dome being gone we’ll never get another NFL team again and that I’m fine with. New convention center with a new flagship hotel potential new neighborhood reconnected neighborhoods replaces the street grid and on top of that possibly replace 44 with an at grade boulevard and who knows maybe square could help pitch in to incorporate with their NOW district.
It’s all a thought but at least most of us care & want best for our downtown too thrive
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I agree. I'm kind of tired of excessive public spending on tourism in Downtown. Kind of need to slowly gear it toward a mixed use majority residential neighborhood now that in-office is going to be paring back, I imagine, in the future.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021They're already investing money to generate more revenue for future years. Without needing to syphon off any potential NFL settlement money. Let the current convention center expansion happen, and put whatever NFL cash they eventually receive towards programs that desperately need attention.JJ Rivera wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2021So you don’t think is smarter to invest the money to generate more revenue for future years? Instead of a one time thing?Laife Fulk wrote:IF (and this is a huge if) there's a settlement and the city winds up with even $100M, outside of what the current convention center plans require, that money needs to go to fixing basic infrastructure, public safety, social services, and education. Another mega silver bullet project is not the best way to spend any possible NFL compensation. Dreaming up grand plans for replacing the Dome with the settlement money just feels like another wasted opportunity to actually fix the city's biggest issues.
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If the City went with Bob’s plan, I imagine it would be Clayco but at the same time, Bob said he would remove himself from consideration to prevent a conflict of interest so he wouldn’t make money on something like this. So maybe a different contractor outside of Clayco would pick this up but at this point, it’s very unlikely that the City chooses Bob Clark’s plan over the one they already have.ldai_phs wrote:Who is building the new convention center expansion? Bob or someone else?
So a builder isn’t selected for the current expansion?chriss752 wrote:If the City went with Bob’s plan, I imagine it would be Clayco but at the same time, Bob said he would remove himself from consideration to prevent a conflict of interest so he wouldn’t make money on something like this. So maybe a different contractor outside of Clayco would pick this up but at this point, it’s very unlikely that the City chooses Bob Clark’s plan over the one they already have.ldai_phs wrote:Who is building the new convention center expansion? Bob or someone else?
This makes it sound like Kwame Building Group is the contractor, but I guess they could just be one of them.ldai_phs wrote:So a builder isn’t selected for the current expansion?chriss752 wrote:If the City went with Bob’s plan, I imagine it would be Clayco but at the same time, Bob said he would remove himself from consideration to prevent a conflict of interest so he wouldn’t make money on something like this. So maybe a different contractor outside of Clayco would pick this up but at this point, it’s very unlikely that the City chooses Bob Clark’s plan over the one they already have.ldai_phs wrote:Who is building the new convention center expansion? Bob or someone else?
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