Exercise? I see nothing about it in the news.
Is it too much to hope that they are checking for squatters before they seal it up to start prepping for demo?
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My dream is a shiny glass version of the Mansion House complex with Clark reopened and connecting to the Arch Park.
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That's what I would like to see as well:GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2020My dream is a shiny glass version of the Mansion House complex with Clark reopened and connecting to the Arch Park.
Retain the historic building at 300 S. Broadway
Demolish the Millennium complex
Extend Clark Street to Memorial Drive
Build two new towers on either side of the new Clark extension
One interesting aspect of demolishing the Millennium complex is that it would present the opportunity for the Deloitte Building to gain additional square footage, since the Deloitte Building was built on top of the low-rise portion of the Millennium.
What IS the deal with the Millennium buildings? I've heard people say they're literally unable to be saved because the quality of them is so poor. Is there any truth to that, or is that largely hyperbole?
Also...just to remain somewhat on topic, I just heard on 101 they're closing off Clark as they usually do on game days, so I assume there will be a nice little crowd outside BPV this evening. Hopefully, they'll turn away non-maskers, but I don't think they will.
Also...just to remain somewhat on topic, I just heard on 101 they're closing off Clark as they usually do on game days, so I assume there will be a nice little crowd outside BPV this evening. Hopefully, they'll turn away non-maskers, but I don't think they will.
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Reason you don’t see many round towers is because they’re hard to utilize, especially in today’s age. If the highway in front of this property was a regular ole road this building thing would be redeveloped by now.
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If they play their cards right, there could be a huge parking podium with street level retail on 4th. Big enough to sustain residential towers above and maybe even help replace the East Stadium Garage. The highway and pre-existing superblock makes this one of the few lots downtown where this makes sense.
Like DB mentions its shape doesn't lend well to reuse...but I've heard (and I think seen reported) that there is a significant mold problem with the buildings. I've seen asbestos mentioned too but I'm not sure if that's true or not. I'd like to see the shorter building demolished and Clark extended, then the taller one could be reused. But I'm not at all opposed to a full demolition and then at some point way in the future the East garage can come down and BPV could be extended down to Memorial.EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2020What IS the deal with the Millennium buildings? I've heard people say they're literally unable to be saved because the quality of them is so poor. Is there any truth to that, or is that largely hyperbole?
Also...just to remain somewhat on topic, I just heard on 101 they're closing off Clark as they usually do on game days, so I assume there will be a nice little crowd outside BPV this evening. Hopefully, they'll turn away non-maskers, but I don't think they will.
Edit: To follow up on Harv's point...you could put a large garage podium there (with the stipulation that it has to be built upon) with quick access to Memorial and the highway ramps on the east side and street level activation on the west side and south sides. I would still split the block with Clark, the garage wouldn't have to be as large as Stadium East. It, combined with the newer BPV garages (and future podiums there) could easily account for the Stadium East garage, which never even fills up all the way to begin with.
I bet we could lose the Stadium East garage today with out any noticeable effect on the parking situation downtown...
“I’ve heard comments that just to cure the deficiencies and bring it back to a hotel would cost $100,000 per room, so that’s $80 million just to have the shell to put a hotel in,” he said." - Gary Andreas
"“My recommendation was to tear it down,” he said. “The project was part of the civic center redevelopment that also included the Arch and the original Busch Stadium. It was built rather inexpensively and the infrastructure just isn’t that good. It’s a great location for something new, but I haven’t heard anything since they contacted me.” - Bob O'Loughlin
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... nnium.html
"“My recommendation was to tear it down,” he said. “The project was part of the civic center redevelopment that also included the Arch and the original Busch Stadium. It was built rather inexpensively and the infrastructure just isn’t that good. It’s a great location for something new, but I haven’t heard anything since they contacted me.” - Bob O'Loughlin
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... nnium.html
Assuming the downtown STL office market doesn’t rebound, I think the location and land would be perfect for a family resort style hotel. An indoor water park type of attraction with a tasteful exterior that still fits our urban center.
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A municipal water park somewhere downtown would be very cool.addxb2 wrote:Assuming the downtown STL office market doesn’t rebound, I think the location and land would be perfect for a family resort style hotel. An indoor water park type of attraction with a tasteful exterior that still fits our urban center.
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It's true. People are more square today than they used to be.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2020Reason you don’t see many round towers is because they’re hard to utilize, especially in today’s age.
^^ Yep on indoor water park as part of hotel development. I think it would do well in downtown with its attractions and assume that you if have it near arch grounds/near ballpark and or on the landing is best fit.
Speaking of quotes above, wonder if Bob ever looked into it as part of Union Station rehab if I got my Union Station developer/owner group correct. The other spot that I think a resort theme hotel with big indoor waterpark is having it as part of Zoos plan to redevelop the old Forest Park hospital site. But that is for a different thread on different day.
Speaking of quotes above, wonder if Bob ever looked into it as part of Union Station rehab if I got my Union Station developer/owner group correct. The other spot that I think a resort theme hotel with big indoor waterpark is having it as part of Zoos plan to redevelop the old Forest Park hospital site. But that is for a different thread on different day.
I'm with Framer. The building is full of architectural oddities that while yes, make it hard to re-utilize, also make the building so much more interesting than any other hotel downtown in my opinion (other than Union Station, of course). The massive underground oval ballroom, the city's only revolving restaurant, the open artium in the addition, the glass lobby facing the arch, the doors that face Memorial Dr that access the ballroom level, etc.framer wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2020I love the Millenium nee Stouffer's towers. Hope they can be saved.
Of the many many issues with downtown's street grid, extending Clark to Memorial Dr is very very low on my list.
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A large Great Wolf type deal would be awesome but saving the tower is essential. The rest can go, but the tower is a staple in the skyline. Unless you’re going to replace it with a signature building, it needs to stay.
My question is, is this property even available? Are the owners sitting on it? If so why? What is the status of this property? Who owns it?
My question is, is this property even available? Are the owners sitting on it? If so why? What is the status of this property? Who owns it?
^ Millennium still owns it and has had many developers look at it. But no one can make the numbers work. I’m sure they’d offload it in a second if someone offered them something for it.
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As much as I want to keep the tower,
I’d sacrifice the entire complex for a signature tower. If it’s underwhelming, the tower needs to stay. In cities that revolve around their downtown, this property would have been snatched up a long time ago.
I’d sacrifice the entire complex for a signature tower. If it’s underwhelming, the tower needs to stay. In cities that revolve around their downtown, this property would have been snatched up a long time ago.
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As long as a revolving restaurant exists Downtown in some way, I'm fine with either a reno or demo. Sure, they may be cliché and a bit tacky, but there's just something special about the experience of a revolving restaurant at sunset/nighttime in the urban core of a city.
I would definitely demo the shorter building and the smaller "wings" for something better. The main tower could be integrated into a new structure that builds the property up to the sidewalk. Maybe this structure can house some parking as well as retail space and amenity space for the complex. The exterior would be renovated and probably would lose the current color scheme. The main tower would remain a hotel and the restaurant up top could reopen. The interior would have to be overhauled and made "modern" in terms of hotel standards but I'm sure it would work.
Where the shorter building is currently, a new residential building can be built there. Maybe up to 25 floors depending on the height limit of the property.
Where the shorter building is currently, a new residential building can be built there. Maybe up to 25 floors depending on the height limit of the property.
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Just bumping this response to highlight many of the answers to the questions being asked again here. If it cost that much to renovate ($100k / room) back on 2018, I can only imagine it's gone up over the last two years as things continued to deteriorate and break. And based upon Bob O'Lauglin's analysis, the infrastructure wasn't even worth saving as is.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2018Nice update on the Hotel.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... nnium.html
I managed to get into it without a subscription. It is long but here are some highlights.
“I think if someone just came up and offered pennies for it, the owners would probably take it,” said hospitality consultant Gary Andreas, with H&H Consulting in Chesterfield. “Nobody can make the numbers work to take on that property.”
“I’ve heard comments that just to cure the deficiencies and bring it back to a hotel would cost $100,000 per room, so that’s $80 million just to have the shell to put a hotel in,” he said.
“That was back in 2014 and we put forth what we thought was a financially viable plan that would have renovated the existing complex and repositioned it as a mixture of multifamily and hospitality,” he said. “But I think it came down to a decision where they were going to make an investment for that project or somewhere else in the world. And St. Louis didn’t rank as high relative to its other properties in around the world.”
Millennium has been shopping the property since it closed the hotel. Andreas said about half a dozen developers have looked into redeveloping the facility.
“My recommendation was to tear it down. It was built rather inexpensively and the infrastructure just isn’t that good. It’s a great location for something new, but I haven’t heard anything since they contacted me.” Bob O’Laughlin said.
“They were amenable to having us include the property in that package (Amazon),” Williams said, noting he’s hopeful a plan may emerge for the facility in the near future. “In the last six to nine months, we’ve seen them being receptive to phone calls and interactions with developers. I think they have an interest in doing something.”
Nearby development could help fuel a plan for the abandoned hotel.
For all intensive purposes, this building sounds like it needs to be demo'd. The only problem is that there's plenty of empty buildings and parking lots downtown as is. My guess is that this will sit empty for another 5-10 years and then be demo'd by a speculative investor who's willing to turn the land into a parking lot, generating some cash flow from Cardinals / the Arch grounds until they flip it.
I found this thread and I was just watching the news and does anyone knows anything about the Millennium Hotel? News said the LLC is from Texas but whoever buys the building a demo must likely will happen to bring a new tower up.
Any buyers or is the LLC has mentioned any rehabs or demolition?
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The search bar at the very top will help you find older threads. This is the one for the Millenium: millennium-hotel-t10036-s125.html
Thanks! I didn’t find one.Laife Fulk wrote:The search bar at the very top will help you find older threads. This is the one for the Millenium: millennium-hotel-t10036-s125.html
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