Anyone see the fox 2 article? I'm not surprised. Trash hotel. The property will not be vacant for long. Extremely prime real estate.
I would hate to see it torn down. To me, it is an iconic structure on the St. Louis skyline.
I hope it is gut renovated into a hotel. I think turning it into a residential tower would be give great views for tenants, but then visitors would have limited hotel options with unobstructed views overlooking the Gateway Arch and Arch grounds.
Also, I don't want a new residential tower to compete with upcoming residential phases of Ballpark Village development.
Whatever the case, the city should not issue a demo permit until a new plan is firmly in place.
I hope it is gut renovated into a hotel. I think turning it into a residential tower would be give great views for tenants, but then visitors would have limited hotel options with unobstructed views overlooking the Gateway Arch and Arch grounds.
Also, I don't want a new residential tower to compete with upcoming residential phases of Ballpark Village development.
Whatever the case, the city should not issue a demo permit until a new plan is firmly in place.
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I see this being a renovation. I could see it being a W hotel.arch city wrote:I would hate to see it torn down. To me, it is an iconic structure on the St. Louis skyline.
I hope it is gut renovated into a hotel. I think turning it into a residential tower would be give great views for tenants, but then visitors would have limited hotel options with unobstructed views overlooking the Gateway Arch and Arch grounds.
Also, I don't want a new residential tower to compete with upcoming residential phases of Ballpark Village development.
Whatever the case, the city should not issue a demo permit until a new plan is firmly in place.
This building was one of St Louis' first lightweight hotels, and like you said, is VERY iconic. In the -very- rare event someone wants to tear this down, I see major public outcry. I mean the potential for this site is huge. This would be a world class property if someone put effort into it. You have amazing views of the world's tallest monument, great views of the river, of Busch Stadium, and many other great perks.
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Good read. I see some issues for residential for this area. You are quite far from necessities. IMO, I would not live there. This hotel, if kept in good condition, really should have ZERO occupancy issues. If W(or aLoft) or Marriott went in here, they could work wonders.Presbyterian wrote:Tim Bryant has the story:
http://m.stltoday.com/business/columns/ ... touch=true
Here is my guess... The hotel is being sold - but deal pending and hush hush until announced and closed. Marriott lost Union Station branding to Double Tree and only has the Marriott Residence Inn Tower and the Marriott Courtyard Hotel, both at Jefferson and 64. Marriott doesn't have a flag with just their Marriott branding on it right now downtown - so how perfect to see Marriott on the top of this grand tower overlooking Busch Stadium and The Gateway Arch. Seems like everyone wants their name in lights downtown these days.
If W were in the picture - I could see that too.
Downtown STL has a plethora of hotels downtown:
2 Hiltons and 4 Drury Hotels alone all within blocks of each other.
Hyatt, Four Seasons, Westin, Omni, Double Tree, Millennium, Crowne Plaza, Sheraton, Hampton, Marriott Residence, Marriott Courtyard, Ramada, America's Best Value, Renaissance, Embassy Suites, Lumiere Hotel, MAC, The Mayfair to name some
Overall, I didn't think the lobby or the revolving restaurant in the north tower look bad. I just went to a wedding there and dinner there too - looks nice!
If W were in the picture - I could see that too.
Downtown STL has a plethora of hotels downtown:
2 Hiltons and 4 Drury Hotels alone all within blocks of each other.
Hyatt, Four Seasons, Westin, Omni, Double Tree, Millennium, Crowne Plaza, Sheraton, Hampton, Marriott Residence, Marriott Courtyard, Ramada, America's Best Value, Renaissance, Embassy Suites, Lumiere Hotel, MAC, The Mayfair to name some
Overall, I didn't think the lobby or the revolving restaurant in the north tower look bad. I just went to a wedding there and dinner there too - looks nice!
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Is STL cool enough for a W?
I always thought this building was kind of ugly.
But that's just like, my opinion, man.
I always thought this building was kind of ugly.
But that's just like, my opinion, man.
I absolutely love that building-- so retro. It sounds like demo is not a consideration at this point according to KMOV: http://www.kmov.com/video?id=232773831& ... f=rcvidmod
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If St. Louis is cooler than Tulsa, OK, then yes we are.maskedmesothorium wrote:Is STL cool enough for a W? .
And now a closing date:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Millenni ... 73831.htmlOfficials for a major downtown St. Louis landmark announced imminent closure was coming in 2014.
News 4 confirmed that most of the workers at the Millennium Hotel will be sent to the unemployment line when the hotel closes on January 22.
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The revolving restaurant was an iconic 1960s concept, and most have disappeared. I'd love to see that much remain. For the life of me, I never could figure out why they never put a bar up there. It would have been packed.
This building addresses the street poorly. I would love to see a new street-facing structure beneath the tower(s).
This building addresses the street poorly. I would love to see a new street-facing structure beneath the tower(s).
I knew the place was bad, but the Trip Advisor reviews of the place are/were horrible. It's ranked 91st in St. Louis hotels, down with Econolodges, Super 8s and other low priced motels.
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It always cracks me up that the Lakeshore W in Chicago used to be the dumpiest Days Inn. This would be a great property for a W.
Very true: I stayed there years ago when it was a cheap Days Inn as a broke college student. Went back a decade later and stayed at the W because that was the only way to get into the ultra-hip high end rooftop nightclub they have. The only problem are the tiny rooms and very thin walls remain while charging $200+/night. Don't stay at the W if you don't want to hear the couple next door... "coupling".mattonarsenal wrote:It always cracks me up that the Lakeshore W in Chicago used to be the dumpiest Days Inn. This would be a great property for a W.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review ... inois.html
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I think the structure's location has some of the same issues whether it is hotel or residential but it should be noted that the Brutalist pointe 400 building even further down is doing fine with residential. I think a creative redevelopment would work well as either hotel or residential but hotel seems to be a bit oversupplied right now in downtown so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes residential.Chalupas54 wrote: I see some issues for residential for this area. You are quite far from necessities. IMO, I would not live there. This hotel, if kept in good condition, really should have ZERO occupancy issues. If W(or aLoft) or Marriott went in here, they could work wonders.
The Mayor says the owners want to knock the building down. If that happens I hope Clark could go to Memorial again.
I doubt they'd want to give up the superblock they have.quincunx wrote:The Mayor says the owners want to knock the building down. If that happens I hope Clark could go to Memorial again.
Probably, but if we had any courage we'd demand it in exchange for the tax subsidies they'll probably ask for.dweebe wrote:I doubt they'd want to give up the superblock they have.quincunx wrote:The Mayor says the owners want to knock the building down. If that happens I hope Clark could go to Memorial again.
He didn't say. My guess is that they are trying to figure that out.downtown2007 wrote:What will replace it?
Very true.quincunx wrote:Probably, but if we had any courage we'd demand it in exchange for the tax subsidies they'll probably ask for.dweebe wrote:I doubt they'd want to give up the superblock they have.quincunx wrote:The Mayor says the owners want to knock the building down. If that happens I hope Clark could go to Memorial again.