urbanSTL

Lots of moving parts. The Taylors never rest though. The current Clayton HQ will not be there in 10 years. That’s a fact.

SeattleNative wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

Think he’s joking considering how often Trader Joe’s gets rumored for city spots

Pretty sure Harv was only referring to the main rumor at hand.

Even if this rumor is completely baseless and/or whitherSTL just made it up for fun, I think it's still important to discuss these possibilities. Apologies for repeating myself on this thread but I love how weird this building is and would like to see it saved. It doesn't have any street presence but what recent buildings in downtown STL suggest that a replacement would be any better? The loading docks next to the Loews entrance or the loading docks on the east side of OCW?

Also once again saying that things in the backgrounds of renderings mean absolutely nothing. These are put there but bored unlicenced architects who are good at 3D modeling and photoshop (speaking from experience) and they're left in because project managers find it amusing. Stop reading tea leaves.

This is not made up. It’s one of several locations they are considering. That’s a promise.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

This is not made up. It’s one of several locations they are considering. That’s a promise.

Is Railway Exchange on that list?

^^ What are the other locations?

Don’t know.. I know Millennium is one due to an odd reason…

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

Still now you got me thinking about the possibilities for the current Enterprise campus. I would rip everything down but the garage along FPP, extend the existing street grid from across Brentwood Blvd, and add a walkway connecting the Clayton Metro station west to Brentwood Blvd. Subdivide the property and build it up as an extension to downtown Clayton.

Literally the same exact thoughts I had.  Except I'd leave the large garage along 170 and infill a light rail station near it (before the curve into Clayton) to serve that area.

What would you do with Enterprise "Park"? I put park in quotations because it's pretty much just a boring lawn and pond with a fountain from what I can tell.

If Enterprise ends up setting up shop Downtown, could this be the beginning of our local LARGE companies considering downtown in the future? If STL's largest F-500 companies followed suit, we would have a vibrant downtown with a great skyline. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but if this would happen, this could be the real shot in the arm needed to finally get Downtown moving forward. Downtown should be the first place companies look to base out of. Unfortunately here in STL, that has not traditionally been the case. 

KansasCitian wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

What would you do with Enterprise "Park"? I put park in quotations because it's pretty much just a boring lawn and pond with a fountain from what I can tell.

I could easily see Enterprise "Park" becoming Spectrum Park if Enterprise did decide to sell. I know that Spectrum had considered two other locations that fell through before COVID so it could make sense especially with their distributed footprint across St. Louis to consolidate in some capacity.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

Lots of moving parts. The Taylors never rest though. The current Clayton HQ will not be there in 10 years. That’s a fact.

Why though? Are the buildings on the current campus not useable for more than a decade or what is the reason they WILL be out of there on 10 years.

I’m not as focused on where they might go as I am the reason they actually will be moving from the current location.

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

If Enterprise ends up setting up shop Downtown, could this be the beginning of our local LARGE companies considering downtown in the future? If STL's largest F-500 companies followed suit, we would have a vibrant downtown with a great skyline. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but if this would happen, this could be the real shot in the arm needed to finally get Downtown moving forward. Downtown should be the first place companies look to base out of. Unfortunately here in STL, that has not traditionally been the case. 

It would be a great shot in the arm for Downtown in itself. But any large corporate shift Downtown would be a VERY long-term trend. Most of STL's largest companies are either already Downtown (Ameren, Stifel, Nestle-Purina, Peabody), in shiny new County HQs (Centene, RGA, Bunge, Bayer, BensonHill), or entrenched in their own campuses (Emerson, Edward Jones). Certainly a few candidates out there though (perhaps Energizer, Post, Caleres, or Olin).

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

I’m not really buying this.  However, the Taylor’s are about the only major family in this town willing to splurge in the urban core…so if it’s anyone it probably would be them.

And I would imagine they could make a pretty penny off the Clayton campus should they sell it.

Trying to think of others that could bring a big presence to downtown... say 1,000+ jobs.  I'm sure there are some other large STL family-owned businesses that could but I'm kind of stumped off the top of my mind.  

Also, if downtown does snag a major corporate get I'd prefer it be in the core CBD north of Market.... Railway Exchange, old One ATT, etc. rather than the Millennium site or even Ballpark Village but maybe a new BPV tower, re-do of the Millennium site, filling up One ATT and anchoring Railway Exchange would make for a nice campus for whoever's out there that's not too much of an ask it it?

I really think the City should use some of the funds coming into their coffers to create incentives for Millennium & AT&T. They will have to offer big incentives on AT&T due to the challenges, but they should look at that as an investment with good returns to the tax base. 

I prefer the Millennium site only because it is the welcome mat to STL. Imagine a Centene type tower or 2 on that sight (modern glass towers) shining bright next the One Cardinal Way and future BPV towers. That will look impressive. It would also fill out that part of the skyline from the river. That view is the most commonly shown on TV when there is a major event. 

The odd reason I can think of why Millennium site would be considered is your literally at the doorstep of Arch Grounds.  It would be an iconic Corporate photo for a global company based in St. Louis to have the one thing in the backdrop that is recognized around the world.    After that, it is a site that could be easily torn down, start from skratch, add parking and reasonable close to transit/freeway ramps as well as being close to Busch/BPV/Corp entertainment & hotel rooms.   Finally,  likely a view of MLS stadium depending on how you site the tower (thinking of the MLS rendering posted earlier).  

Along the lines of DogtownBnR, I can see restores funds towards affordable housing as one way to kickstart/incentivise a multiuse project for ATT/909 Chestnut tower and or a number of downtown projects on how it is structured (bucket for downtown grants, bucket for local/neighborhood rehabs, bucket for mortgage down payments grants)  

What I like about the Millennium site is that it only has one important street wall to worry about. Makes it a lot easier to add in parking garage entrances and loading docks that don’t f with the pedestrian experience like the Loews hotel mentioned above.

The streetwall on 4th needs to be god tier good.

Perhaps this could lead to something cool being developed on top of 500 S Broadway.

I echo calls for development north of Market, but I also think we can have two different flavors of Downtown.  The grittier/aged areas, and the more polished.  A neighborhood where citizens of different flavors can live and work together.

My sources have denied this and you know I have sources. We know people will often deny things for legal reasons

Greater STL Inc is basically Enterprise. Greater STL Incs main mission is urban core restoration. Greater STL Inc has a $200,000,000 fund(for profit arm) for deal making that’s funded by enterprise, schnucks family and a few others

shadrach wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

My gut says there's no truth behind these rumors, but I had crank up Photoshop. How amazing would this be (this is not a design but an impression of 'front door' presence.)

Well, my source is a prominent commercial real estate agent who does big deals for very large companies. And he had slip of tongue during conversation.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Dec 09, 2021

What I like about the Millennium site is that it only has one important street wall to worry about. Makes it a lot easier to add in parking garage entrances and loading docks that don’t f with the pedestrian experience like the Loews hotel mentioned above.

The streetwall on 4th needs to be god tier good.

Perhaps this could lead to something cool being developed on top of 500 S Broadway.

Not to mention the Millennium site gives them free regional-to-national advertisement at least 81 nights a year on Cardinals games, assuming they build something of a decent height there:



I'm intrigued at the possibility, but personally I'll need something more than WitherSTL on UrbanSTL's 'trust me I'm right' to assume it's true. That's not a slight against him - I'm sure he's got reasons for withholding his sources, and I would absolutely love for it to be true. I have no reason to believe he's just plain making stuff up. But he's not exactly met a level of journalistic integrity just yet.

Let's just hope you're right sir. (And let me hope I'm right that you're a sir )

-RBB

I start pipe dreaming at the slightest hint of big news I can't help it