So the "front" entrance will be something like this:
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While the entrance for Metro users will be:
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Wonderful TOD indeed.
While the entrance for Metro users will be:
Wonderful TOD indeed.
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You nattering nabob of negativism!
Enough negativity just because it is Clayton. Clayton has high standards for accomodating the pedestrian and bicycles. St. Louis is not the only urban section of the region. Clayton has been rather dense since the 1920s just like eastern U-City. Sure the high rise has its own driveway, but there should be a pedestrian connection between the two lower buildings and each should have their own formal and urban entrance without a drive off Forsythe.
Many people in the expensive condos will ride Metro so get over it!
More people able to support a possible Metro expansion tax.
Also, there is the large parking lot and WashU extension building/former Famous Barr that could be demolished for high rise housing and office adding more density and TOD or transit oriented development. Lets hope for more dense development. There are also lots of lower use between Lyle and Hanley along Forsythe that could be redeveloped.
Enough negativity just because it is Clayton. Clayton has high standards for accomodating the pedestrian and bicycles. St. Louis is not the only urban section of the region. Clayton has been rather dense since the 1920s just like eastern U-City. Sure the high rise has its own driveway, but there should be a pedestrian connection between the two lower buildings and each should have their own formal and urban entrance without a drive off Forsythe.
Many people in the expensive condos will ride Metro so get over it!
More people able to support a possible Metro expansion tax.
Also, there is the large parking lot and WashU extension building/former Famous Barr that could be demolished for high rise housing and office adding more density and TOD or transit oriented development. Lets hope for more dense development. There are also lots of lower use between Lyle and Hanley along Forsythe that could be redeveloped.
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^ That's all cool. I don't think the Wash U building will become a highrise TOD ever - at least Wash U hasn't shown a tendency to let go of anything at any price (I may do the same if I were them).
Obviously (?) the doors were a joke. Sometimes I forget that things don't necessarily come across on a message board as one would intend. However, let's wait and see what happens. My main point is that I don't think this will really be TOD.
Obviously (?) the doors were a joke. Sometimes I forget that things don't necessarily come across on a message board as one would intend. However, let's wait and see what happens. My main point is that I don't think this will really be TOD.
Given the home directly behind the site, I think a high rise would be difficult to swing. But with the Metrolink now open, maybe we will see an expansion of the Wash U Clayton campus with development on the open lot. I would perfer a low or mid rise apartment structure on the site, but I know that might be impossible to swing with Wash U and the neighbors.
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In addition to the old Famous Barr building (now Forsyth campus), WashU owns that entire parking lot and even the Bally's, so it's a rather large site for TOD. And if a tower would be built closer to the Parkway and Forsyth, then the homes to the north of the site shouldn't really be overshadowed. But other than the Famous Barr building that straddles Clayton, the site is mostly within University City.
I hear you. I think it may have something to do with developers knowing what Clayton will and won't approve architecturally.St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:I like the design but why is it that these new developments feel the need to look like the others around it? For example, Maryland Walk has the red brick/blue glass and it looks just like the other office buildings. The same thing applies to this building...it looks more an extension of the Plaza in Clayton and The Crescent rather than it's own development.
Oh yeah, the Park East Tower is the same. Tan exterior that matches the BJC hospital.
It's getting on my nerves. Maybe I am just being picky.
Also, as nice and high-end/class Clayton is, it just isn't as architecturally daring as her counterparts in other cities. Just consider the last few residential designs built in Clayton. Although they aren't bad, they aren't as sleek as other residential towers in Buckhead (Atlanta), for example. I think St. Louis City will and should take the lead in daring high-rise design in the region. I think we are seeing that unfold already.
Also, I think tan and beige are the new "in" colors outside of glass facades. I like the colors because they enliven the St. Louis area. It's a big change from the red brick that is classic St. Louis. Although I tend to be partial to glass structures, the tan and beige facades help to offset some that red brick consistency, which is on some level drab. I like the diversity that projects like Boulevard St. Louis, SLU's biomed tower, The Highlands, Park East, the Drury Plaza Chesterfield, BJC and the upcoming Cortex II building adds to region. They are adding vibrancy to the local architecture stock.
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The glass and modern look will have to wait for the two Centene towers. If they ever get built, those two towers along with this project will really push the clayton skyline east.
I am excited for this project... it will enhance the entrance into Clayton from Forest Park Parkway!
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bpe235 wrote:The glass and modern look will have to wait for the two Centene towers. If they ever get built, those two towers along with this project will really push the clayton skyline east.
What you guys don't like Neo-Classic-Sur-Blah-Bia architechture?
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I went to the Worl Trade Center building in Clayton today, 121 South Meramec and saw many 1950s era buildings that look spectacular up close and are international in design.
Seriously, neo-classical is not blah, even the Central West End is neo-classical or revivalist this and that.
Seriously, neo-classical is not blah, even the Central West End is neo-classical or revivalist this and that.
From today's Construction News Report (CNR) Execuitve Update:
Planting Condos from Downtown to Clayton
After successfully taking part in the rebirth of Washington Avenue in downtown St. Louis, Chicago-based developer Jay Case, principal of Orchard Development Group, is turning to something new: a $150 million new construction project in tony Clayton.
Orchard has secured approvals from Clayton and University City to begin building Trianon, which will consist of three distinct buildings: The Tower, The Terraces, and The Lofts. The property will include 300 residential units, 30,000 square feet of commercial office space, ground-level retail and underground parking. The $150 million project is 50% larger than all of his projects downtown put together.
"This is exciting on two levels," Case said. "The location is so good it is near the top site available for development on anyone's list, and transit-oriented development is an exciting new trend across the county. It will be fun to put our mark on it."
The future Trianon site is sandwiched between the new Forsyth MetroLink station and the Ritz-Carlton St. Louis, and across the street from the new Crescent condominiums, which are selling for between $700,000 and $1.5 million.
While the financial opportunity in the project is great, so is the opportunity for changing the way we live, said Case.
"We believe in the mission of light rail, which is the mission of reducing our car use and increasing walking. Look at Denver and Dallas and anywhere else putting in light rail. People say all the time, ‘you'll never get people to give up their cars.' That's not the mission. The mission is not to get people to give up their cars, but to reduce the amount they use their cars. If we decrease car use by 20-30%, it will have a huge impact."
Planting Condos from Downtown to Clayton
After successfully taking part in the rebirth of Washington Avenue in downtown St. Louis, Chicago-based developer Jay Case, principal of Orchard Development Group, is turning to something new: a $150 million new construction project in tony Clayton.
Orchard has secured approvals from Clayton and University City to begin building Trianon, which will consist of three distinct buildings: The Tower, The Terraces, and The Lofts. The property will include 300 residential units, 30,000 square feet of commercial office space, ground-level retail and underground parking. The $150 million project is 50% larger than all of his projects downtown put together.
"This is exciting on two levels," Case said. "The location is so good it is near the top site available for development on anyone's list, and transit-oriented development is an exciting new trend across the county. It will be fun to put our mark on it."
The future Trianon site is sandwiched between the new Forsyth MetroLink station and the Ritz-Carlton St. Louis, and across the street from the new Crescent condominiums, which are selling for between $700,000 and $1.5 million.
While the financial opportunity in the project is great, so is the opportunity for changing the way we live, said Case.
"We believe in the mission of light rail, which is the mission of reducing our car use and increasing walking. Look at Denver and Dallas and anywhere else putting in light rail. People say all the time, ‘you'll never get people to give up their cars.' That's not the mission. The mission is not to get people to give up their cars, but to reduce the amount they use their cars. If we decrease car use by 20-30%, it will have a huge impact."
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^ Very cool - I work nearby and will enjoy watching this building go up. I know it's not in StLC proper, but this is good news because of the TOD and added population very near the city.
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You know what this development is missing (based on the rendering), STREET PARKING!
As has been said countless times on this forum, street parking provides a barrier to protect pedestrians from speeding cars and adds a sense of life to an otherwise dead street scape.
As has been said countless times on this forum, street parking provides a barrier to protect pedestrians from speeding cars and adds a sense of life to an otherwise dead street scape.
It's weird that the developer mentioned Denver and especially Dallas as examples of pedestrian-oriented cities. Not the first cities that come to mind in terms of transit-friendliness. I'd rather look to Boston or DC as a model!
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I think he was talking about the up and coming light rail systems in current boom cities.
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Grover wrote:So the "front" entrance will be something like this:
While the entrance for Metro users will be:
Wonderful TOD indeed.
so grover, I was looking back through this thread searching for the rendering and when I saw your pics I spew'd coffee all over my computer screen. Funny cause I didn't lol when it was originally posted. Well done.
FromTheLou wrote:You know what this development is missing (based on the rendering), STREET PARKING!
No, there's no street parking shown in the rendering, but I've got to assume that meters will be provided along Forsythe. I don't see why not, anyway.
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The thing that bothers me about the Ritz and surrounding buildings is that they are quite separated from the streets of Clayton. Carondolet Plaza and Ritz Carlton Drive feel very cut off. Looking at Forsyth this morning I doubt streetside parking is in the mix. There's a great wine and cheese shop and the Pacific Rim restaurant that could both use street parking and it would be great on the southside as well. Now that I think about it - Forsyth narrows to two lanes with street parking at FPP going east, I don't know why they couldn't simply narrow the road at Jackson instead. I'd prefer that they simply take the opportunity to widen Forsyth, keep the four lanes and include street parking. If not, the new development is only going to present a large, unfriendly facade on the Forsyth side.
New website:
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**Trianon Condominiums**
Was Clayton Station
Was Clayton City Condominiums
Oh, by the way, more information will be available in the form of brochures, media marketing etc. etc. in a month or two.
**Trianon Condominiums**
Was Clayton Station
Was Clayton City Condominiums
Oh, by the way, more information will be available in the form of brochures, media marketing etc. etc. in a month or two.
"live, work and play."
I'm really tired of this phrase. Is it just me? :maddown:
I'm really tired of this phrase. Is it just me? :maddown:
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And where the h3ll was THIS picture taken?
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Nice looking rendering though.
Nice looking rendering though.
^Regarding the tree-lined path picture. Since they are obviously trying invoke a French image with the name, Trianon, I suspect the picture is from Versailles (the Grand Trianon Palace at Versailles?). Just a thought.
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
Whenever I here the word "trianon", I think of that 80's era development in Shrewsbury.
