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Mike Jones says if we land the deal we could realize the air cargo hub within one year to 15 months.



http://www.kmov.com/video/localnews-ind ... vid=357890



http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=4007805

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PostMay 05, 2009#377

Mike Jones - (281) 330-8004



just in case you don't remember

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Moorlander wrote:Mike Jones - (281) 330-8004



just in case you don't remember


Oh, I remember




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PostMay 05, 2009#379

I think St. Louis has the edge on the cargo hub. With Boeings defense headquarters located just north of the runway, Lambert makes the perfect spot for a Chinese business operation to be used as cover for their espionage network.

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:lol:



:shock:

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marc buxton wrote:Sounds to me as if the Chinese are simply creating leverage to strike a better deal with St. Louis.


I agree strongly, with this and the rest of your post. Solid analysis if I may say so.


goat314 wrote:Mike Jones says if we land the deal we could realize the air cargo hub within one year to 15 months.



http://www.kmov.com/video/localnews-ind ... vid=357890



http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=4007805


Wow, so we have an unofficial timeline here. 12-15 months. That’s not long at all, in fact perfect timing to plan what’s going into NorthPark and Hazelwood.



Wowowowowowow.


southcitygent wrote:I think St. Louis has the edge on the cargo hub. With Boeings defense headquarters located just north of the runway, Lambert makes the perfect spot for a Chinese business operation to be used as cover for their espionage network.


I don’t fear this. Chinese espionage efforts these days are mostly for capitalistic exploitations, not pure militaristic gains. They’ve been busy beefing up their military capabilities for years, especially their Navy. If they’re looking to send spies to the US under the cover of “business”, they’d just place techies in Silicon Valley. Ha, brave new world.



Focus: Even if StL doesn’t become the hub for all Chinese HQs in the US, it’s cool. Our focus must be first on establishing the foundation in logistics hubbing, the most feasible capitalization of the Metro Area for their purposes and one that would definitely bring in tons of development (daily). I expect Chinese multinationals to establish business ops throughout the US, with HQs in the Midwest, East Coast, and West Coast as their economy continues to mature into a capitalist model. If we could get them to centralize all of this on StL, though, then we’d see divisions for most all these companies set up in the area. Or, if given the choice, I’d rather see Chicago and DC each get 20 Chinese HQs, and StL get 10 Chinese HQs & 100 Chinese companies running manufacturing and shipping operations, as well as 100 domestic firms setting up operations here as well to capitalize on proximities. Net win would be ours, and with thousands of new jobs. Plus, as revenue generators for the tax coffers, it’ll be a constant stream of income from each flight in & out.

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The product.....



I've asked this before and only gotten nebulous, non-specific, mostly non-sensical answer...probably because no one knows.



What goods/products are the Chinese going to be flying here?



What goods/products are we going to be flying to China?



I want specific goods. I don't want to read "time sensitive goods." I want real tangible things. For example: plastic vomit, computer components, pharmaceuticals, t-ravs, etc.



What goods/products are so important/profitable that they are flown to the middle of the country rather than just shipped via container to the West coast?

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Ask FEDEX

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umm ... I like the guy and all, but why exactly are we quoting Mike Jones for this topic? Does that strike no one else as strange ... Is Beetle Bob going to opine on the planed cuts to Boeing St. Louis in the recent defense spending bill? Actually - now that I think about it - I would like to hear that.



and again - no offense to Mike Jones. Not trying to compare him to Beetle. Last time I checked he was not in the habit of dressing in zoot suits and making an ass out himself in local clubs ...

PostMay 07, 2009#385

serious post:



I would think that DC would have one major disadvantage - lack of political clout. I know this seems counter intuitive, but think about it. The Chinese will be looking to buy some political capital and that comes in the form of congressional voting power. DC simply doesn't have any. Yes they're the federal seat, but they have no voting reps in congress.



I believe they will try to maximize their political leverage by splitting the operation in two - put the hub in one state and the headquarters in another. Both seem like they will be large enough to make those state's respective senators go to bat for them when the time comes. Chicago & St. Louis seem to be a perfect fit.

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SoulardX wrote:The product.....



I've asked this before and only gotten nebulous, non-specific, mostly non-sensical answer...probably because no one knows.



What goods/products are the Chinese going to be flying here?



What goods/products are we going to be flying to China?



I want specific goods. I don't want to read "time sensitive goods." I want real tangible things. For example: plastic vomit, computer components, pharmaceuticals, t-ravs, etc.



What goods/products are so important/profitable that they are flown to the middle of the country rather than just shipped via container to the West coast?


Well, not many of us here have a great understanding of everything manufactured here. While I don't think that we're going to be sending St. Louis Closets or True Treadmills (though maybe) to China, I'd think there are high-tech or luxury items to send. Luxury spending in China is exploding and they do not manufacture much of the highest quality items there. Don't forget that items manufactured from anywhere between Denver and Pittsburgh would like come through here as well. I'm sure Kentucky Bourbon's a hit in China . . . as far as other luxury goods maybe someone has an encyclopedic handle on what we have to offer.

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markofucity wrote:umm ... I like the guy and all, but why exactly are we quoting Mike Jones for this topic? Does that strike no one else as strange ... Is Beetle Bob going to opine on the planed cuts to Boeing St. Louis in the recent defense spending bill? Actually - now that I think about it - I would like to hear that.



and again - no offense to Mike Jones. Not trying to compare him to Beetle. Last time I checked he was not in the habit of dressing in zoot suits and making an ass out himself in local clubs ...


Well, he has been put in charge of the Midwest China Hub Commission, i.e. the group that's running the day-to-day of pulling all this together.

Who else would you quote?

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PostMay 07, 2009#388

didn't know that. I stand corrected. I'm curious as to how Mr. Jones ended up in that position but its OT and irrelevant. Thanks for the info though.

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PostMay 07, 2009#389

JMStokes wrote:Well, maybe they'll feel at home, who knows.


What is that supposed to mean?

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PostMay 07, 2009#390

True treadmills are already mostly made in China, so thinking that's a no go.

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Markofucity & Everyone:



Mike Jones the football player is NOT Mike Jones with the China Commission.

They are two entirely different people.




One’s known for a history of economic development in the City & County and is Charlie Dooley’s right hand man; the other is retired from pro sports and is involved in real estate development. It’s not like Dan Dierdorf working for the CVC; these are two entirely different people.
SoulardX wrote:The product.....



I've asked this before and only gotten nebulous, non-specific, mostly non-sensical answer...probably because no one knows.



What goods/products are the Chinese going to be flying here?



What goods/products are we going to be flying to China?



I want specific goods. I don't want to read "time sensitive goods." I want real tangible things. For example: plastic vomit, computer components, pharmaceuticals, t-ravs, etc.



What goods/products are so important/profitable that they are flown to the middle of the country rather than just shipped via container to the West coast?
Backing up Grover’s points, I see the demands of the emerging Chinese middle and upper classes are for expensive & quasi-luxurious goods, ranging from the agricultural (steaks, wines, US-brand organics) to pharmaceutical (prescription drugs, from Lipitor to Viagra). We will want mass-produced consumer goods; the nature of air freight leads me to think of higher-end products that you don’t want to risk breaking on a freight yard.



Think of the US as being a nation of innovation and China as a center of production. Where we create and innovate products, they copy and innovate production lines with economies of scale and manufacturing efficiencies (usually created by outside consultants and expatriate Westerners). Where China has about 30,000 engineers graduating every year with advanced degrees, we have entrepreneurs and creatives. When you think on this light, you’ll see what will be exported to whom.



And, as more commerce is engaged by businesses & individuals on an immediate basis in China, there will be more needs for prompt deliveries. This includes everything from airmailing time-sensitive business & legal documents to shipping personal items bought on Ebay. Look to companies like FedEx and UPS (although not necessarily them) shipping many goods across the Pacific into Shanghai and Beijing.



As trade occurs, we can look to more development of the markets. The advantage to StL is that domestic producers of product wanted in China, including high-tech manufacturers, may look to establishing new operations in StL for proximities to Lambert & the Chinese markets. Herein lines increased development opportunities and a whole lot of new jobs.





Meanwhile, the NY Post reports a new delegation from China is going to be visiting the US, one that we may be happy to avoid:


NY POST

CHINESE TAKEOUT


By JOSH KOSMAN



May 7, 2009 --



The Chinese are about to embark on a shopping trip of epic proportions.



Hoping to take advantage of cheap prices on struggling American businesses, a group of 400 executives from state-owned and private Chinese companies will be visiting the US next month on the hunt for distressed assets.



China's Ministry of Commerce is behind the tour, and is planning visits to New York, Washington, Chicago and Salt Lake City. The trip also includes stops in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.



Business sectors that are likely to get a look from the Chinese delegation include: automotive, petrochemical, energy, metal, media, furniture and consumer goods.



While it remains unclear which specific companies might be targeted, a US-based buyer of distressed assets who is currently selling a business to the Chinese said Chinese buyers tend to be careful about making acquisitions and are less interested in taking a company through bankruptcy or buying a firm that is in a bankruptcy proceeding.



News of the visit was originally reported in mergermarket, an M&A news service.



Any significant buying by Chinese companies would further bolster Beijing's presence in the US economy. Already, the Asian country is the biggest owner of Treasury debt totaling more than $1 trillion, and remains a major market for many US companies that want to tap into what has been a booming economy there.



The Chinese influence on the US economy was felt earlier this year when top officials in Beijing expressed worry that the federal government's efforts to revive its own economy might begin to devalue China's US Treasury holdings.



And in another sign of China's importance to the economy, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was forced to back off of allegations he had made earlier about the country manipulating its currency.



Already, the Chinese have begun making plays for US auto assets, hoping to take advantage of the carnage left by the recession.



Yesterday, news reports said Geely Automotive and Dongfeng Motor Group are thinking of making a bid for GM's Saab unit.



What's more, Kim Korth, the president of auto consultant IRN Inc., told The Post she knows there are several large groups with backing from Beijing that are looking to buy US-owned auto suppliers.



Meanwhile, in testimony this week during the Chrysler bankruptcy case, a Chrysler executive said he believed some groups from China were at its Michigan headquarters in January exploring the purchase of some car lines.



josh.kosman@nypost.com
Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/05072009/bu ... 168038.htm



With the dollar differential, the Chinese are ready to acquire.

They also are ready to expand.

They're gonna need a way to get goods back and forth besides just taking the slow boat out to Shanghai.



I am rather optomistic.



EDIT: Consider Just-In-Time manufacturing, where raw materials are shipped to factories at the time of their usage. Such strategies are used to minimize reliance on maintained inventories and warehousing of parts. The strategy is planned to also best utilize line production. An air shipment hub would be great for incorporating into a JIT production facility, with US specialty parts leading the way as they innovate and mature their manufacturing prowesses. Should their interests in the US automotive sector materialize, including the US auto supplier subindustries, the necessity of specialty air deliveries increases exponentially.

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Gone Corporate wrote:Markofucity & Everyone:



Mike Jones the football player is NOT Mike Jones with the China Commission.

They are two entirely different people.




One’s known for a history of economic development in the City & County and is Charlie Dooley’s right hand man; the other is retired from pro sports and is involved in real estate development. It’s not like Dan Dierdorf working for the CVC; these are two entirely different people.


Super Bowl Mike Jones is also the head football coach at Hazelwood East High School. I think they won state in 4A or 5A this lst year.

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Moorlander wrote:Mike Jones - (281) 330-8004



just in case you don't remember


And to think all this time I thought we were talking about the rapper.

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China and StL are working on an agreement for a midwest air hub. Are they seeking any other regional air hubs? (Southwest, Northest, Northwest, South) Or will StL be THE air hub with Long Beach as the main shipping hub?

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Moorlander wrote:China and StL are working on an agreement for a midwest air hub. Are they seeking any other regional air hubs? (Southwest, Northest, Northwest, South) Or will StL be THE air hub with Long Beach as the main shipping hub?
From what I've heard, their ownly named redundant would be Mid America.



You also bring up a good reference, in that I don't think Long Beach would see net arrivals decrease with an aerial logistics hub; the Chinese have so much to ship in that they need to increase their abilities to ship goods in.



If I was Beijing, though, I'd plan for multiple designated aerial entry points to the US; that an East Coast hub hasn't been discussed is quite surprising, as the corridor would be the first place I'd set up shop.

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Moorlander wrote:China and StL are working on an agreement for a midwest air hub. Are they seeking any other regional air hubs? (Southwest, Northest, Northwest, South) Or will StL be THE air hub with Long Beach as the main shipping hub?


Up in the air right now ;). Thinking about it, though, Long Beach is losing Boeing's huge 717 production facility... that airport would be a natural fit for a large West Coast operation. Not sure the one main runway they have can land B747-400 or future A380's though.

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When we think about distances between China and the USA we tend to think East-West. Almost instinctively we presume the West coast is the best way to go to China.



In aviation, great circles are used, e.g.: the shortest direct distance between two points on the globe.



Look at these examples:



Shanghai-LAX 5635 NM or 12:31 hrs

Shanghai -STL 6254 NM or 13:54 hrs

Shanghai - JFK 6424 NM or 14:17 hrs



Beijing- LAX 5432 NM or 12:04 hrs

Beijing-STL 5862 NM or 13:02 hrs

Beijing-JFK 5942 NM or 13:12 hrs



Chengdu-LAX 6262 NM or 13:55 hrs

Chengdu- STL 6581 or 14:37 hrs

Chengdu-JFK 6542 or 14:32 hrs



Shanghai-Lima,Peru 9256 or 20:34 hrs

Shanghai-STL-Lima 9379 or 20:51 hrs



Shanghai-Bogota,Colombia 8475 NM or 18:50 hrs

Shanghai-STL-Bogota 8475 NM or 18:50 hrs



As you can see, the differences between LAX, STL or JFK are very small. The difference between ORD and STL is negligible. ORD is about 20 min shorter but with their traffic and weather issues, STL will be faster most of the time.



When we throw South America in the mix, STL is right ON the great circle. No airplane can make it non-stop from South America to China and St. Louis is perfectly positioned for a fuel stop/cargo hub on this route. Better than LAX or JFK.



The Chinese are smart. They're not wasting their time and money. We just need to find a way to fill up the planes going back to China. I suggest sending a delegation to South America, ASAP.

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^^Long Beach is not a factor. It has very restrictive noise abatement regulations and is restricted to 41 commercial flights a day. LAX is the main west coast cargo hub. The China-Midwest cargo hub premise is not affected by either airport.

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Missouri legislature will give 12 million to air cargo hub development/construction



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument



The more I read the more I feel like this thing will come to reality. It may not be what we all expected, but I doubt the our govt. officials and China would be wasting so much time and money if this wasn't a very feasible plan.

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