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PostJul 17, 2008#151

JCity wrote:Don't get me wrong, I LOVE our airport; it's home, and it has that cool gritty, yesteryear feeling to it, like they filmed Airplane in it, today.


Have you been anywhere?


yes. please tell me which city LARGER than st. louis that has a lower quality airport. Maybe the airport shouldn't be in the control of those who can't afford to keep it updated, ahem..the city...


Name a successful city with a nice airport that isn't part of its county.....if you cant think of one, you will realize why St. Louis cant afford the perks that other cities have.

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PostJul 17, 2008#152

Gone Corporate wrote:An interesting variable for this deal is the Chinese policy of gas subsidation. To spur commerce across the country, the PRC has instituted subsidies on gas so a gallon is about a buck apiece. I am sure that this includes jet fuel...
This policy will stop very soon, like shortly after the Olympics. Even China can't afford it, especially at the rate auto use is growing. Beijing is adding 5,000 new drivers a day.

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PostJul 17, 2008#153

Name a successful city with a nice airport that isn't part of its county.....if you cant think of one, you will realize why St. Louis cant afford the perks that other cities have.


I don't think that matters. Airports are funded by federal funds and bonds repaid by revenue collected from airlines and their passengers.

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PostJul 20, 2008#154

Isn't Slay's BROTHER in charge of something at the airport? qualifications please.

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PostAug 13, 2008#155

Any updates on this? With flights to be cut come Sept-Nov, I would like for this to go through sooner or later!

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PostSep 11, 2008#156

Update:



Good news! :wink:



China wants closer ties with Midwest

By Tim Logan

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

09/10/2008



China wants to deepen its trade ties with the Midwest, and St. Louis seems like a logical place to start, that nation's top Midwestern diplomat told local business leaders Tuesday.



Ping Huang, China's Consulate General in Chicago, told a crowd at St. Louis University that his nation is trying to move beyond the coastal United States and strengthen its economic and cultural relations in the country's midsection.



"People in China don't know much about the Midwest," Ping said. "And people here in the Midwest need to know more about China."



Ping's comments came as talks continue about developing an Air China cargo hub at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport. Those talks kicked off with a series of trade delegations this spring, and moved forward shortly after the close of the



Olympics, when China's aviation ministry said it would launch a



formal study of the prospect of Lambert as a cargo hub.



"That was the next step we've been waiting for," said Tim Nowak, executive director of the World Trade Center St. Louis, which sponsored the event for local companies that want to do more business in China.



READ MORE/ENTIRE STORY:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument

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PostJan 23, 2009#157

I really hope they pull this off.





Commission looks to bring Chinese air freight to St. Louis



U.S. Sens. Kit Bond and Claire McCaskill, and Zhou Wenzhong, China’s ambassador to the United States, plan to announce Monday the creation of a commission aimed at making St. Louis an air freight hub for China.



The commission, comprised of government and business leaders, will work to establish a direct trading link between St. Louis and China in an effort to create jobs and commerce for the St. Louis region, McCaskill’s office said Friday.



The goal of the commission is to help Chinese companies access the Midwest through Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and assist Midwest companies in accessing China, McCaskill’s office said.


READ MORE/ENTIRE STORY

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stor ... ily56.html

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PostJan 23, 2009#158

^
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley and RCGA President Dick Fleming were among those who made the trip last March.



Leaders in Metro East have also been working to land cargo from China at MidAmerica St. Louis Airport. A St. Clair County delegation visited China a year ago .








Of course the st. louis region has seperate delegations competing for the same thing. If it's not the city county seperation that's hurting us, it's our close proximity to Illinois! It makes you wonder what kind of proposal could be put together if both parties were united.

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PostJan 24, 2009#159

Landing this deal could be really transformational to the St. Louis economy and its reputation around the country and world. I really hope we will land this too, but I have confidence because I think if the Chinese really were not interested this would have fell through a long time ago.

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PostJan 25, 2009#160

To back up Arch Genesis’ posting:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/busine ... it-monday/



Focus: This is by far the most important thing going on right now for the future of Saint Louis.



When looking at the historical development of the US’ major cities (as well as many non-US cities), you see that the geography selected is based primarily on the ability to physically import and export goods, whether raw materials or finished products. StL, for example, grew because of the centrally-located rivers, as Chicago became a major hub for maritime freight to the Midwest & beyond because of Lake Michigan, and how San Francisco became a major shipping center because of the Bay. As well, while some of these transactions were for global business, most of it was simply interstate commerce.



With the advent of air freight shipment, location by proximity overrides natural geography, looking at how Memphis became the center of air freight for FedEx, and Louisville for UPS. The ability to turn ordinary land into a “port”, however, has yet to be fully explored by either Memphis or Louisville, as they are mostly hubs for later flights, and within a single enterprise model. There is no precedent for a country-specific aerial shipment center of this scale and importance. Especially so, the business model here is not for interstate commerce, but fully multinational.



By creating a hub for this air travel, we will essentially be making Saint Louis a literal Air Port for China. The role of StL in the US’ broader economy could enormously increase in importance as the markets are opened further as we become a center for Chinese economics. With that can come new businesses into the metro area, both domestic and international, with new construction & new jobs, new residences paying taxes, increased Federal investment into this port city (especially for transportation infrastructure), and increased investment into Downtown construction with the influx of professional companies (and increased capacity needs of those already here). And in IL, I-255 could be fully ringed with shipping centers. Mostly, we would revitalize our City’s prominence on the international business community.



The revenue streams from this would be ridiculously huge.



Just like how the rivers make StL a major hub for barge networks, leading to increased investments in rail transportation, a major hub for aerial imports would strongly increase the value and strengths of the area’s existing transportation infrastructure. Also, with President Obama in office, Sen. McCaskill (an original Obama supporter) could really source some major Fed monies in for this development. And I don’t give a single care for IL seeking the same thing; they’re just trying to ride MO’s coattails for the tax revenue streams, which they aren’t going to get.



The broader economy may be in the crapper, and BPV et.al. disappointing, but this should make us all excited.



Mods: Should this thread be renamed to some variant of “The Big Idea”? With full respect, we’re beyond just Paul McKee.

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^ Gone Corporate, do you think it will become a reality? What could they possibly do at this point to mess it up?



I also find it funny that developments like this go completely under the radar, while boondoggles like BPV are on the top of our minds. I would rather have this deal anyday.



When you say ridiculous money, do you think it could be the kind of money that would result in drastic growth (economically and population wise) for the city if invested correctly? Are we talking Atlanta, Houston, Dallas type boom or a more moderate Minneapolis, Charlotte, Nashville type boom? Or just a few thousand good paying jobs?

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^Yes, I do believe this will happen. It’s a great idea, addressing a mutually beneficial partnership and proactively advancing the Chinese need for increased market penetration, exposure, and centralization while utilizing the resources the Saint Louis region has. That we sought them out (when no one else even realized the opportunity), showed how we can so well fulfill a developing need; to have done so with the supportive efforts of leadership solidarity and the encouragement of the business community, I don’t see another City or Metro Area taking our thunder, not this late into the game.



Or, even if Chicago came to them tomorrow with the same deal, even one a little sweeter, StL would still be the favorite. After all, when a pretty girl invites you to the dance, you will be dancing with her that night, even as her friends ask you to dance once you’re already there. Loyalty and Reputation are very strong in Chinese culture, and it would reflect if some other offer were to arise.



This is not a done deal, of course. Everything from a further decline in the creditworthiness of the US Dollar, to an aggressive campaign with Taiwan, to continued instabilities in the Chinese countryside could stall or kill this deal, as well as so many hundred other unknown factors that could arise. Nothing is guaranteed until the first plane lands and successfully conducts its business. However, all things remaining equal, the chances of this reaching fruition are very, very strong.



And of course, this goes under the radar. It is intangible. It is very long in time horizon to reap all the benefits. And, it is so fundamentally different a concept, turning our area into a dedicated international shipping hub for the world’s two largest economies, that it is hard to grasp. While I have ideas, I can’t fully see it implemented because of its sheer scale. While you can see renderings of BPV, and the grassy blocks next to the stadium, as a gauge of how that deal is going, the fundamental impacts of such an event as “The Big Idea” are so profound, and original, that it is hard to grasp without a tactile reference.



As for total impact, I can’t really compare to another city, saying we’d potentially grow as large as Dallas or economically develop in the manner of Charlotte. What I do see, though, is a major and fundamental shift in the very way the United States conducts business with China, and with Saint Louis as the hub for this business. Think about how much gets shipped into Long Beach from China on board freighters; while I don’t see that much quantity arriving via air, I do see the quality of goods shipped that necessitate air delivery to be incredibly dynamic.



What could Saint Louis expect from such a partnership? (with a little dreaming involved)

- Increased total business conducted, both domestic and multinational, on an exponential basis

- Increased tax revenues, especially to StL City and StL County

- Inside I-255 being filled with increased investment in warehousing & logistics

- New companies establishing business in StL, including logistics, manufacturing, and professional services, resulting in thousands of new jobs, perhaps the high tens of thousands

- New residents throughout the Metro Area

- Chinese nationals moving throughout the area, from Collinsville to Wentzville, and especially in Mid-County; the Chinatown along Olive would go huge

- Total increased business & residential interest in the area drastically improves the business communities in Downtown StL, especially as the airport is city controlled and related companies seek a presence in the area (what if the Chinese government wants to set up an economic development center in StL; what would that building be like?)

- The quality of city schools will jump from all the revenues earned on a per-landing basis and from gross increased taxation

- Increased Federal investment into transportation infrastructure needs of the Saint Louis Metro Area, including air, roads, rail, and maritime; no problems getting more Fed money for the bridges

- Saint Louis becomes reestablished as a new frontier economic center, with the Wild West supplanted with the Far East



End result: Billions on billions of dollars in additional revenues on an annual basis. Who knows, maybe tens of billions. It really is too big to call.

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PostJan 25, 2009#163

^ Might as well start seeking out India, Brazil and other quickly developing nations now if this deal succeeds, but I get what your saying. There is really no way to know how big this could be for St. Louis, but thousands of high paying jobs and new tax revenues seem reliable.

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PostJan 25, 2009#164

^ completely agree with Gone Corporate 100 percent. have been pushing this measure / partnership and hub for the past year since negotiations began.



This IS a HUGE development!

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PostJan 25, 2009#165

Gone Corporate and one of the Post articles briefly touched on US exports, but it seems the primary focus of this deal is around imports and warehousing goods for eventual transport throughout the midwest. There still are quite a few specialized manufacturing facilities around St. Louis that pay high wages and make quality products. I hope they'll have the opportunity to fill the Chinese cargo planes for the return trip.

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PostJan 25, 2009#166

I pray St. Louis gets this opportunity.
"St. Louis could be a very good choice," he said. "The problem is, because people in China don't know about the Midwest, you have to convince them that St. Louis is a better choice than Chicago."
Not to be a stick in the mud, but how are we supposed to do that?

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PostJan 25, 2009#167

how are we supposed to do that?


Two ways. First, continue the delegation visits going on between St. Louis and China. Each time, the decision makers learn more about each other. Second, compare Chicago and St. Louis on the terms that interest air shippers (HINT: it isn't the sidewalks).

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PostJan 25, 2009#168

STLCardsBlues1989 wrote:I pray St. Louis gets this opportunity.
"St. Louis could be a very good choice," he said. "The problem is, because people in China don't know about the Midwest, you have to convince them that St. Louis is a better choice than Chicago."
Not to be a stick in the mud, but how are we supposed to do that?


Off the top of my head:



1. Land costs around the airport. O'Hare is completely hemmed in, and very expensive land. Not going to find much new space. Midway can't handle the big birds, from what I can tell.



2. Flight reliability. O'Hare is at or above capacity now. There are restrictions on flights at night.



3. Availability of non-corrupt politicians. (ok, this might hurt us when dealing with the Chinese government.) (not to make this thread political)

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PostJan 26, 2009#169

O'Hare

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 1&t=h&z=12

You can see that there appears to be a lot of development all around it.



Lambert St. Louis has development around it also, but just north of Hazelwood there appears to be some more land.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 1&t=h&z=12



Might as well do something with "Carollton"

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PostJan 26, 2009#170

^As well as what's left of Kinloch.

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PostJan 26, 2009#171

So the Stoneham Circle and Airport Circle and Country Day Lane northwest of Berkeley, was that part of Kinloch, too?



If anything good can come out of all this destruction, it would be nice.

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PostJan 26, 2009#172

^ You do understand that all those neighborhoods were bought out to create a buffer around the airport. IF we close this deal, much of the new warehouse/distribution centers would first be built in North Park.

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PostJan 26, 2009#173

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT sometime today. Cant wait to hear it.



http://www.bnd.com/336/story/630760.html

PostJan 26, 2009#174

Very big development! The Chinese official even came on Chinese New Year to make this announcement. The more I hear the more I'm confident that it will take something big to derail this.



http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... 1955.shtml

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PostJan 26, 2009#175

Any idea on the actual products that would be on these cargo jets? I can't imagine it'd be the usual low-end consumer good that china specializes in.

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