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PostApr 01, 2008#101

^ Anything and everything; and usually because the slow boat from China is too... slow.



At the company I work for, we bring things in from China by air on a regular basis. The main reasons are 1) our inventory is depleted and we need product right away, but our next container shipment is not due for another three months; 2) we've have a small order that won't come remotely close to filling a container and thus shipping by air is actually cheaper! The last thing we imported from China by air were tally counters.

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As long as desperate companies give away crap with logos, stuff will be flown in from China.

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PostApr 01, 2008#103

Come on everyone: let’s quit yelling that the sky is falling every five minutes.


Doug wrote:Paul McKee is an evil person but this would be good for St. Louis City and the Region … His motivation however is not to benefit the region but to enrich himself.




As Adam Smith has taught us all, going back hundreds of years, the baker does not make bread for free so as to feed the hungry, and the tailor does not stitch clothes to give away to the cold. They sell their wares for their own self-sustainment and profitability, because no one else will do it for them. It's the most basic understanding of free market economies.



The end goal of every person is self-interest, whether it is by political or financial means. Altruism goes only so far, and pure altruism isn’t funded by its own sense of self-fulfilling goodwill. Therefore, if McKee is so actively spearheading the development of a multinational hub of commerce between the world’s two largest capitalist economies to Saint Louis, and actually hoping to make a buck off of it himself, that’s about as surprising as learning that water’s wet, or that the sky’s blue, or that women have secrets.


He has North Park and his North St. Louis development which most likely will be near the location of the new Mississippi River Bridge. McKee will build industrial in North St. Louis near the bridge and Chinese goods will most likely be involved.


I sure to God hope so. That area is underdeveloped and needs an influx of new capital investment and employment opportunities. Plus, we’re not building that new bridge for weekend bicycle rides, but for interstate commerce; we better have massive ancillary developments take place. If he is ready to do the job, then all power to him.


However I don't think we should downplay the fact that such an advantage will also give way to more sprawl. Without a green belt we will see a lot more.


Assuming that we’re talking about making the airport a major center for international commerce, and that there are more than a thousand acres adjacent to the airport of undeveloped land in specifically-zoned corporate developments for business parks, I’m sure there will be build-out.



If we’re so lucky, the influx of a new streaming business channel will lead to growth throughout the Metro Area. If a corollary to this new business means increased density in the suburbs, and the expansion of the Metro Area’s suburban “footprint” because of a tangible need for new development, then so be it. Should this take place, there’s the sprawl that may be resultant from the build-out of the Maryland Heights or Saint Peters floodplains near Lambert, or even around Mascoutah and the Dupo industrial developments.



These apprehensions over so much new business coming to the area maybe leading to sprawl are so pessimistically defeatist as to be fundamentally unbelievable. You really have to hunt to find a negative argument to fundamental growth, but trickle-down new suburban development is well off the chain. Something tells me that, deep inside, maybe, just maybe, you may actually be a fan of what McKee can do with this much power.



Come on, be a happy big business capitalist with me! If the Chinese are dropping communist socialism and joining the party, then everyone can!

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Fees for each plane’s landing and takeoff from Lambert will be collected by the City


How about the "fee" for each plane from China carrying people and cargo is $5.00 per landing and takeoff?!?!

:idea: :!:

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Fees for each plane’s landing and takeoff from Lambert will be collected by the City


How about the "fee" for each plane from China carrying people and cargo is $5.00 per landing and takeoff?!?!

:idea: :!:


Actually, the fee for any commercial plane to land at Lambert is somewhere between $18-25, international or domestic, best I can remember. (Anyone with more current pricing, please correct me if I'm wrong)



These fees are how airports generate revenues, from the airlines & logistics carriers, which support operations. Lambert is not paying for the W-1W from general revenue bonds.

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GoneCorporate, I am well aware of what Adam Smith would say regarding Paul McKee's actions. But what would he say regarding illegal blockbusting, thus the destruction of our built environment and displacement of City Residents? With hedonism, would he erase our comparative advantage? These are citizens of the United States allegedly protected by the Constitution.



North St. Louis is in need of investment but that shouldn't come at the expense of our built environment and our citizens. Paul's actions, while might benefit St. Louis, cannot excuse his other nefarious deals which have left a permanent scar upon North St. Louis and this Region.



The ends do not justify the means.



If you believe that this won't lead to ever increasing sprawl then perhaps you should study the development of US Cities. I'm not hunting for a negative argument. Our suburbs will not increase in density, rather we will see the current pattern: more low density to our West. It is much easier to bulldoze cornfields rather than redesign existing, already establish suburbs.



Why would an influx of commerce, all other things equal, change land use patterns? St. Louis, for the last 50 years, has continuously sprawled out with little actual regional growth. Growth as being defined as population gains from other cities. We have simply taken our existing base and spread it out. It has simply been zero sum sprawl. I do wonder how this deal would benefit urban growth when we have the King of Suburbia spearheading the effort?



Globalism has the potential to benefit St. Louis, even though ironically through deindustrialization it has harmed it severely, but we must not automatically assume a positive outcome. We must view our leaders in the context of their previous achievements and how they have squandered past windows of opportunity. Will this be positive for the City and the Region? If someone else was leading the effort then perhaps.



Paul McKee has a tarnished record of bulldozing corn fields for tract housing, displacing African Americans, and demolishing Victorian Architecture. At the head of the table we should hope for someone besides St. Louis' 21st Century version of Robert Moses.



He cares for nothing but himself. When his selfish interests come at the expense of the region, as they have in North St. Louis, Adam Smith's ideologies become completely inane.

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First off, I would much rather see the north side rehabbed and rebuilt as a thriving residential area with modern infill to complement the historical architecture. Unfortunately, since McKee owns this property, I don't think that is an option.



Instead, if he builds residential, I think it safe to assume that he will probably opt for crappy, vinylla, suburban, winghaven style mullet homes in the city. The neighborhood will be unable to tear down those homes for another thirty years.



As a result, I think with McKee calling the shots we will be much better off with an industrial project that will create jobs for the entire region.



For those more familiar with his assemblage, is it even large enough for a North Park style development? Do you think this is what he has in mind for this property?

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realclear wrote:First off, I would much rather see the north side rehabbed and rebuilt as a thriving residential area with modern infill to complement the historical architecture. Unfortunately, since McKee owns this property, I don't think that is an option.


I doubt that would have been an option in any event. To the extent there has been any infill on the North Side, it's been suburban style and/or faux historic mullet houses. I like the notion that all of a sudden we'll get religion and only allow modern, urban infill. I'm just not holding my breath.



If we do see an expansion of commerce and jobs on the North Side, I think it's obvious that the North Side will do a lot better on the whole. Soulard would not be Soulard without the AB Brewery. The CWE would not be the CWE without BJC.



It seems like a lot of the thriving neighborhoods are adjacent to big job producers. The North Side doesn't have that, and we've seen the result.

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PostApr 02, 2008#109

Delegation Seeks to Increase Trade with China

Adam Allington



ST. LOUIS (2008-04-02) A trade delegation including Governor Matt Blunt, Senators Claire McCaskill and Kit Bond, as well as Congressman Russ Carnahan and St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay has just returned from a weeklong trip to China. The group was lobbying on behalf of a St. Louis to China trade route. Chinese aviation officials signed a memorandum of understanding to visit St. Louis to explore the potential of a Midwest air hub at Lambert Airport. Bond says he's optimistic the deal will proceed sometime over the next six months.



"We hope that after we host the Chinese officials from civil aviation administration and Air China we will have something concrete and make that a definitive deal, that's what we're working towards."



Bond says Missouri exported close to a billion dollars worth of product to China last year. He says China has agreed to increase that figure by 50-percent over the next three years.



© Copyright 2008, KBIA



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Dude, just because you don't like a developer's residential development history, does it mean that whatever else he touches must turn to crap?



I don't want to discuss McKee's business resume here. Nor do I wish to deal in semantics over whether or not the globalization of capital markets has led directly or indirectly to the construction of new residential housing in Wentzville. I am interested in the topic of the State of Missouri potentially establishing a hub of commerce with the People's Republic of China at Lambert, with adjacent development in NorthPoint and NorthPoint West, as well as potential spillover development in Hazelwood, Berkeley, Kinloch, and the Missouri River floodplain west of the airport.



People say not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

You're telling me to lift its tail, take a whiff, and tell you that, no, it doesn't smell like sunshine and ice cream, to validate your grievance.



Whatever his original intent for North Side construction, it's not related to the conversation at hand. Multinational logistical development negotiations being led by the Mayor, the County Executive, the US Senators, multiple House Representatives, and the Governor are at hand; let's take a moment and discuss what's taking place with this.

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PostApr 07, 2008#111

what other cities are they considering and any more progress on this project?

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stl1991 wrote:what other cities are they considering and any more progress on this project?


Every.

None.









Multinational long-term logistical development takes time; this isn't like constructing an apartment building. Be patient.

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PostApr 08, 2008#113

It seems like a lot of the thriving neighborhoods are adjacent to big job producers. The North Side doesn't have that, and we've seen the result.


There used to be a lot on the north side, unfortunately they left. I think one of the biggest detriments was GM closing the corvette plant. Still, there are lots of industrial companies in north city.

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PostApr 24, 2008#114

An exerpt from Jo Mannies' Politics column in today's Post-Dispatch:


Missouri pols make bipartisan pitch for China trade/cargo business

By Jo Mannies

POST-DISPATCH REGIONAL POLITICAL CORESPONDENT

Thursday, Apr. 24 2008



U.S. Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond, R-Mo., is still pumped about the trip. So is his Democratic counterpart, Sen. Claire McCaskill.



The same is true for Gov. Matt Blunt, a Republican, and the Democrat he succeeded in 2005, former Gov. Bob Holden.



All were part of last month's unusual bipartisan Missouri entourage, which also included three of the region's top Democrats: St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley and U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan of St. Louis.



Their destination: China. Their quest: To persuade Chinese officials to expand trade ties with Missouri and to consider St. Louis' now underused Lambert-St. Louis International Airport for cargo and passenger flights.



Bond, who has made at least a dozen trips to China over the past 30 years, said he's seen the transformation of the nation from "a third-world country" to an economic giant. Beijing used to be a town of "dusty streets," he said. Now it's a metropolitan showcase of skyscrapers, luxury hotels, a new airport terminal — and traffic jams.



McCaskill, who'd never been to China before, said she was struck by the massive construction and technological advancements.



McCaskill and Bond acknowledge their differences on trade issues. He's an unabashed booster of "opening up markets," while she has voted against some trade bills she viewed as unfair to American workers.



While in Beijing, for example, McCaskill met privately with Chinese product-safety officials to underscore American concerns about tainted products and some poor business practices.



But overall, regardless of party, Missouri officials say they're being practical in promoting stronger ties with China.



As McCaskill put it: "We're fishing for (Missouri) jobs in whatever pond you have to fish in."



Also on the trip was Richard C.D. Fleming, president of the Regional Chamber and Growth Association. He said that Chinese officials took particular note of the bipartisan political pitch, especially the amiable relationship between Bond and McCaskill.



But one of the side benefits of the trip, observed McCaskill, was a chance for her and Blunt — who faced off in the 2004 gubernatorial contest that he won — to get to know each other better "in a nonconfrontational environment."



McCaskill and Blunt each took note of their concerns about press censorship. Blunt spokeswoman Jessica Robinson also said that the governor believes that "China has an abysmal record on human rights."



By coincidence, I was in China on a two-week vacation while the Missouri politicians were in the country making their appeal.



China's economic boom is stunning and sobering. The images remain vivid in my mind: The kind of factories that once dotted the Midwest's landscape now rest along the shores of the Yangtze River.



Bond said the Missouri jobs now in China aren't coming back. "Globalization, it's going to continue," he said.



What Missouri politicians and the public can do, Bond added, is encourage international trade that could lead to better jobs in Missouri and more markets for Missouri products.


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Politicians on both sides of the aisle doing what needs to be done to increase net commerce. Simply amazing. Well done. [/quote]

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PostApr 24, 2008#115

^ I love what is about to go down Gone Corporate, but it looks like the people in Metro East are a little bitter. We do need more regionalism, but shouldn't Metro Easters be just as mad at the state of Illinois for having their heads so far up Chicago's ass that they don't know downstate exists (by the way this is not a knock to Chicago, they should get the most attention since at least 75% of the state lives up there). Check this out:





Posted on Thu, Apr. 24, 2008

Regionalism? What's that?



St. Louis and Missouri leaders found their way to China; now if only they knew their way to the Illinois side of their own region.

They recently signed a memo of understanding to turn Lambert Airport into a cargo hub for China. They are so eager to drum up business for Lambert, they are muscling past St. Clair County leaders, who have been working on similar deals for MidAmerica St. Louis Airport.

It's the unthinking oaf approach we've seen so many times from Missouri's leaders. Regionalism is a great idea when Illinois is promoting businesses on the St. Louis side of the river. But Missouri helping attract commerce to Illinois? Forget about it.

The Missouri deal doesn't have a direct bearing on MidAmerica. But St. Clair County Board Chairman Mark Kern is right to be concerned about the confused message the Missouri agreement sends to would-be trade partners. Taxpayers just have to hope it's not so confusing that it will drive overseas businesses to other parts of the United States.

We understand that Lambert is Missouri's main priority, just as MidAmerica is Illinois'. Still, there needs to be a coordinated effort to promote these airports. Regionalism is a two-way street.



© 2007 Belleville News-Democrat and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.belleville.com



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goat314 wrote:^ I love what is about to go down Gone Corporate, but it looks like the people in Metro East are a little bitter. We do need more regionalism, but shouldn't Metro Easters be just as mad at the state of Illinois for having their heads so far up Chicago's ass that they don't know downstate exists (by the way this is not a knock to Chicago, they should get the most attention since at least 75% of the state lives up there).


In the end, I guess some say they can, and some do.



Southern IL and Mid-America have been working on Malaysian-based International Hubbing for goods and materials, with limited build-out of infrastructure to accomodate this and other potential shipping of International cargo. It's solid work, and good for them.



Meanwhile, Saint Louis, Lambert, and the concerted efforts of Missouri's whole government have been working on the China deal. Plus, it has the support and active cooperation of the local developer who is actively positioning multiple properties ancillary to the airport for development designated to this opportunity, with build-out options specific to Chinese shipping.



Also, gross flights for Chinese shipping trump gross flights to Malaysia and other like flights.



I agree with you strongly. The key difference for all of this is that MO's government has utilized all its resources, including both US Senators flying over there with regional and Jefferson City leadership, while IL's government involvement has mostly been the Southern IL leadership contingents. Especially when you're seeking a first-mover entity to utilize Mid-America, things are tougher than compared to Lambert and its shipping status; Springfield dropped the ball.



These newspaper editors should justly save their vitriol for Springfield, IL, which has shunned non-Chicago IL for too long and to its own detriments. They should have written an article stating:

"We Continue to be Saint Louis' Remora".



As for Net Regionalism, good news here. It's fair to assume that, with capacity levels and the hopes of a return of Retail Commercial Hub status at Lambert, Mid-America would receive its share of spillover, with the tax and income benefits that MO receives for basing operations. Plus, with Southern IL's growing reputation for logistics and warehousing, they'll do well.

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PostApr 25, 2008#117

Would have to agree with the Bitter part. But more annoyed about the mentality. I believe Mid-America was built first and foremost for the sake of maintaining Scotts Air-Force base (For which Illinois politicans as a whole made a great move in obtaining federal funds to build most of it). Didn't Business Journal have a recent story about new construction to the tune of $388 million at Scotts Air Force base? (Once again, compliments of the federal funds via DOD). Wasn't Scotts Air Force Base taken off the BRAC list after Mid-America was built?



The Bellville editorial conveniently forgets how much federal dollars are being pumped into that area as whole. The reality is that the region is not big enough to support two major passenger airports let alone two major cargo hubs. Don't forget that their is also two corporate airports, for which St. Louis downtown airport is in Illinois and I may add is also prospering. Yet, Mid-America has benefitted Southern Il immensely by simply connecting its lone runway to Scotts Air Force Base lone runway. Federal dollars that come from both sides of the River with support from each others congressional delegations. It is already a two way street.



That said, pumped that Missouri is starting to realize that Lambert is an asset and Lambert leaderhip realizes that their terminal is a fixer upper in a need of attention. Something that seems to be missed when it comes to most infrastructure in MO.

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PostApr 28, 2008#118

hmmm...this is getting more and more interesting, but whats up with the Post-Dispatch. I know this deal is an uphill battle, but it always seems like the Post has a pessimistic tone. Its getting better and better regardless.



St. Louis places a trade bet on China

By Tim Logan

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

Monday, Apr. 28 2008



They call it "the big idea."



It is a plan, hatched by local business leaders, to hitch this city to the

world's fastest-growing economy. To use our underutilized airport, our rivers,

roads and rails, and our location smack in the middle of the heartland to build

St. Louis into something like a gateway to the Far East. To build an air

freight hub connecting the Midwest and China.



It is an ambitious idea, to say the least, and one that is a long way from

reality. But it is an idea that, if it ever flies, could create hundreds, maybe

thousands, of jobs here and reposition St. Louis as an essential link in the

ever-more-global economy.



It began a couple of years ago, with conversations between Paul McKee, whose

McEagle Properties is developing a 550-acre site just east of Lambert-St. Louis

International Airport, and Steve Stone, a Clayton lawyer whose cousin is a

leading British expert on trade with China.



They approached the cousin, Steve Perry, about the prospects of luring Chinese

cargo flights to Lambert, and of building a portal here for the entire Midwest.



"I said, 'Is this a serious question?'" Perry recalled in an interview last

week. "(Stone) said, 'Yeah.'" So they began studying it and enlisting local

business support. They developed a lengthy study on markets here and across the

Midwest, on weather patterns, distribution networks, and the costs of St. Louis

compared with Chicago and Columbus, Ohio. They began reaching out to the

Chinese government, which is trying to develop more air freight to the U.S.,

and they found interest.



"This idea is real," McKee said.



MISSOURI DELEGATION



It became a lot more real last month when a delegation led by Missouri's two

senators, Gov. Matt Blunt and a congressman traveled to Beijing to meet with

Chinese aviation and economic authorities. After two days of talks, the group

came away with a deal to spend six months studying closer economic ties and the

potential of a St. Louis air freight hub and, perhaps, passenger flights.



Those studies are beginning now, gathering data on what kind of goods from

Missouri and surrounding states might be shipped to China, what competitive

advantages St. Louis offers and what kind of facilities would be needed here.



The studies are being funded on this end by Lambert, the Regional Chamber and

Growth Association, the World Trade Center-St. Louis and the Missouri

Partnership, and also by the Chinese government. They should be complete by

October.



"We have a long way to go," said RCGA President Richard Fleming. "But the pace

at which this has moved so far indicates that this is being taken very

seriously."



Indeed, the Chinese are moving quickly. Just this weekend, Li Zhaoxing, who

heads the foreign affairs committee of the National People's Congress, visited

St. Louis and discussed the air cargo proposal at a dinner with local business

leaders Friday night.



In an interview Saturday, Ping Huang, China's Midwestern consul general, said

there is great opportunity for better links between his country and this region

of the U.S., including St. Louis. And while a lot of work needs to be done, an

air hub here would help that a lot.



"It's not just a big plan, a big dream," Huang said. "We'd like to see it

become reality."



Of course, it's not just St. Louis that wants to be China's gateway to the

Midwest. Much of the region's air freight today goes through Chicago, with all

of its global business infrastructure and direct overseas flights.



Nashville, Tenn., Dallas and Columbus also have regular Asian cargo flights,

with planeloads of laptops and clothing flown in every week and trucked across

the country. And mega cargo hubs already exist in Memphis, Tenn., home of

FedEx, and Louisville, Ky., where UPS has its international sorting center.



St. Louis shares those cities' central location and favorable weather patterns.

But it lost out on the domestic air freight boom of the 1980s, when Lambert was

jammed with TWA flights and the big shippers chose to locate farther east.



Now those TWA flights are gone and Lambert has a new third runway, with

capacity to spare. And the Chinese are looking.



McKee and others hope to persuade them to bypass Chicago traffic and O'Hare

delays and bring their own U.S. flights into St. Louis, a relatively easy drive

from much of the Midwest.



But this takes more than a good airport, says Panos Kouvelis, a logistics

expert and business professor at Washington University. If St. Louis hopes to

be a freight hub, it also must develop the industry to get goods where they

need to go from here.



"Our location is as good as any," he said. "But it's a matter of not only

having the airport but having the businesses around the airport that are going

to provide services this industry needs."



Indeed, that might be the single biggest challenge, said Ned Laird, a

consultant with Air Cargo Management Group in Seattle. The companies that

specialize in this tend to be based at the big gateway airports on the coasts,

where most air freight comes in.



TWO-WAY TRADE



Just as important down the road, experts say, will be two-way trade. Empty

planes going back to China are not economically feasible, which has been a

problem for cargo routes to other U.S. cities.



"What we've got to convince the Chinese is that, if they bring in Air China,

the plane is going to come in pretty full and go out pretty full," Perry said.



There's hope for that. Perry points to rising exports from the U.S. to China,

and hunger amid the growing Chinese middle class for high-quality goods made

overseas.



While U.S. imports from China still dwarf exports to it, the exports are

growing faster, and that may accelerate if the dollar continues its slide. Last

year, China bought $65.2 billion in U.S. goods, according to the U.S.-China

Business Council, up 300 percent since 2000, the year before it joined the

World Trade Organization. In Missouri, the growth is even faster, to $1 billion

last year, up 12-fold from 2000.



Much of that trade now is in heavy goods — waste and scrap metals, minerals and

ores — things much more likely to be shipped than flown. But as China's economy

matures, demand is growing for high-value items like semiconductors and complex

machinery, and for just-in-time delivery of the most basic of needs: food.



That's where the breadbasket of America can really benefit from a direct link,

Perry said.



"The U.S. has the most efficient agricultural production system in the world,"

he said. "And there you've got 1.4 billion people who need to be fed."



So whether it's Monsanto seeds, Caterpillar tractor parts or Omaha steaks,

which McKee saw selling at a Beijing restaurant for $95 per 10-ounce filet,

there is, they say, a market across the Pacific for what's made in the Midwest.

Throw in industrial equipment and advanced manufacturing, and that market only

grows.



Being a gateway for this kind of global trade could be a big deal for St.

Louis, say several who are involved in the effort.



It could help replace at least some of the manufacturing jobs that have gone

overseas and attract investment here from Chinese companies looking for a

foothold in the Midwest. It would help St. Louis thrive in a business world

that, increasingly, is about China and India just as much as Chicago and

Atlanta, said former Gov. Bob Holden, who went on the trip and is vice chairman

of the Midwest U.S.-China Association.



"We can't stop globalization," Holden said. "What we can try to do is shape it

so it benefits us as well as others."



But there are many hurdles between here and there. The first is the feasibility

study under way now. If that pans out, it will become important to make sure

both sides know what they're getting into, Laird said, and that St. Louis has a

firm commitment in hand.



"The Chinese are really good at joint ventures that never lead to anything," he

said. "It's important to get some realism as to exactly what Air China would be

hauling and to what destinations, what kind of facilities Air China is going to

demand? What do those things really cost?"



Then there is competition. While China doesn't appear to have this kind of

study under way anywhere else, that could change as more U.S. cities chase a

tighter relationship. All St. Louis has is a head start.



But that's an important thing in this kind of relationship, Perry said. And

while he admitted to being "a bit biased" about the deal he helped pull

together, he was optimistic that this "big idea" may one day become a reality.



"I'm hopeful," he said. "It's more than a 50-50, I'd say."



tlogan@post-dispatch.com | 314-340-8291



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PostApr 29, 2008#119

goat314 wrote:
but it always seems like the Post has a pessimistic tone


Did you think anything less of the Post Disgrace? Come on, that paper is a complete JOKE!

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PostApr 29, 2008#120

There is nothing pessimistic in tone about the article. I'd say it's quite fair, and gives McKee and his optimism the last word.

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PostApr 30, 2008#121

But this takes more than a good airport, says Panos Kouvelis, a logistics

expert and business professor at Washington University. If St. Louis hopes to

be a freight hub, it also must develop the industry to get goods where they

need to go from here.



"Our location is as good as any," he said. "But it's a matter of not only

having the airport but having the businesses around the airport that are going

to provide services this industry needs."
:lol: Leave it to Panos to provide a solid dose of logic and cold, hard reality.

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PostApr 30, 2008#122

bprop wrote:There is nothing pessimistic in tone about the article. I'd say it's quite fair, and gives McKee and his optimism the last word.


I agree. Usually, I do find the Post to be rather cynical in it's attitude towards St. Louis, but I can't say that this time.

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PostApr 30, 2008#123

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I agree. Usually, I do find the Post to be rather cynical in it's attitude towards St. Louis, but I can't say that this time.


Totally agree on THIS one

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PostApr 30, 2008#124

Which explains why McKee is involved. He has his hands along with Clayco on a lot of developable land surrounding the airport with the appropriate freeway and rail connections. Him and few others probably led the charge behind closed doors to get the new Mississippe River Bridge agreement in place (getting I-70 trucks off the Poplar Street bridge is a good infrasctructure investment, my opinion).



The big question in my mind. How much speculative building is McKee and others willing to do before China would send a plane? North Park is started. How about more buildings? etc. The professor'point well taken

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PostApr 30, 2008#125

could they build in industrial in those cleared residential areas in Kinloch?

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