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PeterXCV wrote:

StlAlex wrote: ↑

11:48 PM - 3 days ago

PeterXCV wrote:Metro removed the busses in 2009 because of funding, yes, but they didn't bring them back after the county passed a sales tax to fund metro in 2010. Metro didn't want to run busses downtown, favoring all the routes to terminate at civic center, which they doubled the size of a few years ago.

A lot of Metro's bad decisions are their own, not just a lack of funding. That'd help, obviously, but their transit planning's not good.

Anyway, I appreciate the Cleveland reportback.

They favored that because it saved money.

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Bro omg, it cost a lot of money to redo Civic Center the way they did and also they explicitly said moving south city buses out of Downtown would improve on time performance.

Capital costs can't be compared to operating costs and it used over $8 million in federal funds.

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dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 03, 2024

3rd fastest growing economy in the Midwest since 2019

What is fueling the growth in GDP in Indy? Fed-Ex expansion? I know they have the capital city advantage & it is really the only big city in the state, but just curious if I'm overlooking something. 

^I guess we need to build a canal, get an NFL team with a world class venue, then host the Final 4 & get our major corporations to locate employees Downtown. 

We have a lot of work to do! 

Eli Lilly too. Salesforce quickly filled up the space vacated by Chase Bank in their tallest building back in 2018 or 2019.

A lot of good comes from the entire region being bought in on the core.

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TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:ALSO - While I was there Indy (<48hrs) had two murders downtown adjacent and a shooting at monument circle. So whoever says they are light years ahead of us…

Shootings are much more common in downtown Indy than downtown STL, but they don't carry the same debilitating blow to its reputation.

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Shootings are much more common in downtown Indy than downtown STL
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data?

BarryGlick wrote:Shootings are much more common in downtown Indy than downtown STL
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data?

Yes. There was a massive shooting literally right outside the PNC office, Steak and Shake, Dick's Last Resort, and Hyatt Regency back in 2024, basically no long term impacts. Peabody was hit by gunfire one night and they leave. That's the difference I'm referring to.

https://www.wfyi.org/wfyi-news/2024-03- ... s-saturday

https://fox59.com/news/3-injured-in-dow ... -shooting/

This one happened right outside of a T-Mobile store and a block away from a Burlington, Weber Gill, Panera. All are still open and in business.

Mass shootings happen faily often in downtown Indy but they just don't carry the same consequences as if they happened in St. Louis.

Edit: Can't really get good data because IMPD has much less transparent crime stats that are much harder to access than STL's.

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One thing I will say, if when considering Indy, is that they have never been a major urban center compared to the other largest cities in the country like St. Louis was.  Sure it's been one of if not the largest in the state, with strong economic competition from Gary in its past.  But not only is it the Capitol, it's the singular, largest city/region in the state, a state/city that has lost residents to other more urban, big-time cities around the country.  It has a chip-on-its-shoulder and wants to level-up.  It's always been more of a cow-town for a hoosier/big ag state.

I'd love for us as a community to do what we can to encourage and incentivize our major public companies to locate their HQ's and offices in the city, downtown preferably.  As a big fan of a reinvisioned Chouteau's Lake, I'd also love to see Ameren, and Purina (to an extent) to rebuild their campuses to feed off of this asset.  Could be our equivalent of Indy's Downtown Canal, but I think it would have a much larger impact and help to connect Downtown with the neighborhoods to the South.  The fact that Mayor Slay nixed that plan because of fears he had that it would compete with Ballpark Village is infuriating.  And Rawlings moving to Westport is laughable, we should have done any and everything to have them next to Busch.  I don't know what is wrong with their leadership so short-sighted!

Chateau Lake would greatly enhance Ballpark Village and the development planned for the Millenium site. Let’s do it and get all major local companies to build HQs downtown like Boston did with Seaport. Then outside companies will join them as GE did moving its HQ there from out of state.


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I feel like this would cost far more than $300 million. And there are absolutely no visionaries in office right now.

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