Can you guys stop talking about the streak please? Its already been discussed to death, and I think it's pretty much a guarantee that its a covering that will be removed post construction. Relax already.
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Agreed. A moratorium on streak talk, please. At least until the building is completed and we know what it will look like.
^Well, except for the area of the hotel tower around the crane, I'd say about 95% of the exterior IS completed. I'm really not sure what else you people think is going to happen.
And as I said before, maybe with lighting "magic", the casino and hotel will look awesome at night. But that doesn't change the fact that they are butt freakin' ugly when the sun is up. You know its true. In an ugliness competition, this project puts St. Louis Centre and the north side of The Ed to shame.
And as I said before, maybe with lighting "magic", the casino and hotel will look awesome at night. But that doesn't change the fact that they are butt freakin' ugly when the sun is up. You know its true. In an ugliness competition, this project puts St. Louis Centre and the north side of The Ed to shame.
Have you guys ever been to las vegas.... during the DAY. All those casinos are butt ugly. (the Wynn actually looks OK during the day) The difference between the looks of casinos during the night and day is... night and day.
After the forum was mentioned in the Post Dispatch.2taall wrote:You people are something else. The project isn't even complete yet and all you do is complain. When did this place turn into the Whiney Men's Forum?
DeBaliviere wrote:Agreed. A moratorium on streak talk, please. At least until the building is completed and we know what it will look like.
Aww... come on. You have to admit, the "Great Brown Streak" is pretty catchy. It sounds like a feature on some planet with a 'pollution' problem.
If only they could lure a branch of the Hershey Store, they could call it the Hershey Stripe.
Agreed, but there are some that look decent during the day - The Bellagio, Wynn, Paris, Treasure Island, The Venetian and the newer Caeser's Palace towers in Vegas, The Borgata in Atlantic City, and the new Harrah's hotel tower in New Orleans, just off the top of my head (ironically, all of those except Paris and The Venetian were designed by the same architect as Lumière Place, Marnell Corrao). And there are many others that are ugly but still look better than this project. In any case, this isn't Las Vegas; this casino is being built in what is ostensibly an historic district - granted, there seems to be less and less of an historic nature to this district each year - and I expected a higher standard to be applied.adamflath wrote:Have you guys ever been to las vegas.... during the DAY. All those casinos are butt ugly. (the Wynn actually looks OK during the day) The difference between the looks of casinos during the night and day is... night and day.
From looking at the pics on the web cam its not that bad, but it will probably have a better night look than a day look which most casinos seem to focus on anyway.
Just got an email from Four Seasons saying they'll soon be accepting reservations.
Though this image looks canned and not St. Louis specific.
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Four Seasons Hotel St. Louis:
Opening early 2008
Bringing new cachet to the downtown riverscape, Four Seasons rises just steps from the Laclede's Landing entertainment district. Enjoy unrivalled access to stadium sports and the Lumière Place Casino, right downstairs. Then escape into Four Seasons tranquility – where views of the Gateway Arch and the Mississippi are as big as the Midwestern sky.
Though this image looks canned and not St. Louis specific.
Weird that the Lumiere Place website and none of the press releases ever refer to it as a Four Seasons hotel. Only Four Seasons does.
This article has a lot of detailed info on the construction of the hotel and casino and they do talk about the streak, a little.
Midwest Construction - September. '07
This is the best example I can find of an LED-backlit sign:
Welcome to Heathrow Sign
Edit: This would explain the dark color of the streak, it adds to the "halo effect" of the light coming from underneath. From the article, it sounds as if the comb-over is still coming. I suspect it will essentially just be sort of a pre-fab sign mounted on the roof of the hotel, not part of the hotel framing itself, which will simply continue the LED-backlit lighting effect of the streak.
This article has a lot of detailed info on the construction of the hotel and casino and they do talk about the streak, a little.
Midwest Construction - September. '07
Brett Ewing, president of architecture at Marnell Architecture says, <snip> “We had to pay some homage to the Laclede historic district, so the building’s façade from the south is more traditional, with a lot of brick and stone,” he says, adding that its styling on the south takes cues from Frank Lloyd Wright as well. “But as you move north and over to the entry and hotel, it becomes contemporary, with simple lines and all glass, two colors of green glass.”
The 20-story hotel, which will offer 200 rooms, will light up the downtown skyline with an LED-backlit arc that will swoop up the side of the tower, curve 40 or 50 ft above the top floor and run back down the other side, Ewing says.
“At night it can change color and become animated,” he adds. “It changes width as it goes up the side, to almost a knife point at the top.”
This is the best example I can find of an LED-backlit sign:
Welcome to Heathrow Sign
Edit: This would explain the dark color of the streak, it adds to the "halo effect" of the light coming from underneath. From the article, it sounds as if the comb-over is still coming. I suspect it will essentially just be sort of a pre-fab sign mounted on the roof of the hotel, not part of the hotel framing itself, which will simply continue the LED-backlit lighting effect of the streak.
jlblues wrote:Agreed, but there are some that look decent during the day - The Bellagio, Wynn, Paris, Treasure Island, The Venetian and the newer Caeser's Palace towers in Vegas, The Borgata in Atlantic City, and the new Harrah's hotel tower in New Orleans, just off the top of my head (ironically, all of those except Paris and The Venetian were designed by the same architect as Lumière Place, Marnell Corrao). And there are many others that are ugly but still look better than this project. In any case, this isn't Las Vegas; this casino is being built in what is ostensibly an historic district - granted, there seems to be less and less of an historic nature to this district each year - and I expected a higher standard to be applied.adamflath wrote:Have you guys ever been to las vegas.... during the DAY. All those casinos are butt ugly. (the Wynn actually looks OK during the day) The difference between the looks of casinos during the night and day is... night and day.
dude - RELAX already. we know what you're opinion is. jeez...
Wierd that the Lumiere Place website and none of the press releases ever refer to it as a Four Seasons hotel. Only Four Seasons does.
True. It may be a "contract" situation with all of Pinnacle Hotels.
All of Pinnacle's properties list "luxury Hotels" on them - however, none of them list the managament or branding of the hotels.
In this "partnership" many hotel brands / and maybe Pinnacle themselves must brand their properties seperately.
Most brand hotels that franchise (anything from Holiday Inn to Comfort Inn) usually restrict the management compaies from "selling" or "advertising" their hotel name/branding through their corporations.
I suspect this would be similar.
For example: Drury Hotels (STL based) own and run all of their 117 locations throughout the country. Yet, unique here in downtown STL, Drury has three locations under the Drury flag - but the Drury Corporation also owns and manages the ne Hilton Hotel on 4th Stree downtown. They redevloped and constructed the Hilton on 4th - and branded it / franchise the Hilton name for that property because they already had three locations under the Drury flag downtown and they wanted to bring another flag downtown that would appeal to people around the country/globe (that have not heard of Drury Hotels).
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Check out this mornings web cam they have started the frame work for the comb over! The mighty streak grows bigger.
Looks like they added it between 6:30 and 6:39 last night, strange to install something that large that late in the day.
Looks like they added it between 6:30 and 6:39 last night, strange to install something that large that late in the day.
Man, the streak shot through the roof! You cannot stop the streak, you can only hope to contain it!
TB1000 wrote:Man, the streak shot through the roof! You cannot stop the streak, you can only hope to contain it!
So I guess you can call it a blow out? (Anyone who's taken care of a baby can attest to how fun those are.)
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After looking at the webcam, does anyone else feel like the 1st street facade was inspired directly from the dome itself?
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Looks like we got our comb over. I never thought I would ever be so happy to say that phrase.
Unfortunately, I have to agree it looks like the EDJ Dome's twin. I guess they took design cues from Clayton: make it look like everything else around you
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TheWayoftheArch wrote:After looking at the webcam, does anyone else feel like the 1st street facade was inspired directly from the dome itself?
You're right, IT'S ALL THE SAME
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bpe235 wrote:TheWayoftheArch wrote:After looking at the webcam, does anyone else feel like the 1st street facade was inspired directly from the dome itself?
You're right, IT'S ALL THE SAME
Wow, I look at the cam daily and never really looked at the dome. I totally see it!
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Well the web cam seems to be down, the last pic was snapped at about 4:39 this morning. When I drove by on my way in to work I noticed they were installing the next piece of the "comb over". From the looks of it this thing is going to be big!