They are part of the government....what would you expect? I am sure they are as corrupt as every other part of government. I read the other day "power nurtures the idolatry of self" and I think this is the reason our elected "representatives" forget their responsibilities and are corrupted so easily. Sorry for the mini-sermon, but is seemed appropriate at the time.
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Thats just the way its been since man has exhisted... not much of a suprise. However, just the fact that this casino is being built on land (with an artificial "moat") Id be willing to bet that the gov has been pretty lenient when everything is put in perspective. Just a thought. I mean there are laws in Missouri that say that casinos have to be built on water and if the gov were as stingy as that, this whole thing would never have happened.
Of course, they allow it because it brings in more revenue. It's just a bit of politics and hypocracy combined...wheelscomp wrote:Thats just the way its been since man has exhisted... not much of a suprise. However, just the fact that this casino is being built on land (with an artificial "moat") Id be willing to bet that the gov has been pretty lenient when everything is put in perspective. Just a thought. I mean there are laws in Missouri that say that casinos have to be built on water and if the gov were as stingy as that, this whole thing would never have happened.
Agreed. Power is a difficult challenge, whether governmental or otherwise. Good one, jambalaya.jambalaya wrote:They are part of the government....what would you expect? I am sure they are as corrupt as every other part of government. I read the other day "power nurtures the idolatry of self" and I think this is the reason our elected "representatives" forget their responsibilities and are corrupted so easily. Sorry for the mini-sermon, but is seemed appropriate at the time.
So I heard a group of people are protesting about building the casino. I think it is minority commission complaining about not enough minority firms getting the contracts.
Does anyone have details? Do all projects have to adhere to a certain number of minority jobs? Is this a union thing, along with a minority issue?
Does anyone have details? Do all projects have to adhere to a certain number of minority jobs? Is this a union thing, along with a minority issue?
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steve wrote:dweebe wrote: It also could be a tactic to get the loss limit removed.
The law is a tad paternalistic for my tastes.
I agree. Frankly, I'm surprised the casinos haven't already been successful in getting the loss limit removed.
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bsharmastl wrote:So I heard a group of people are protesting about building the casino. I think it is minority commission complaining about not enough minority firms getting the contracts.
Does anyone have details? Do all projects have to adhere to a certain number of minority jobs? Is this a union thing, along with a minority issue?
protest that not enuf minority firms are on the job. It is completely private money so there is not mandate. IIRC pinnacle tried to hire more minority firms but....
So if they don't have a quota to meet why are people protesting against them?
Exactly. I am confused by this issue. Why are people hell bent on bringing down amongst the best things happenning to DT right now?2taall wrote:So if they don't have a quota to meet why are people protesting against them?
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just because there isn't a state imposed quota DOES NOT mean that people are happy about it.
thats a terrible sentence - I believe its a triple negative
thats a terrible sentence - I believe its a triple negative
Discrimination against who? Have any of these people turned in resumes?
Doug wrote:Government has police power to regulate discrimination.
Since when did we live in a police state? Since when did Generalisimo Bush and Colonel Blunt have the right to tell a business who is receiving no public money for their project what to do with it?
It's ridiculous that someone should get a job/contract just because they are a minority.
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dweebe wrote:Doug wrote:Government has police power to regulate discrimination.
Since when did we live in a police state? Since when did Generalisimo Bush and Colonel Blunt have the right to tell a business who is receiving no public money for their project what to do with it?
Since when did they have anything to do with this? I thought it was a bunch of minority companies protesting their lack of contracts... I think its pretty funny how sometimes on this forum Prez Bush/Gov Blunt/any republican get blamed and rideculed for rediculous things with which they have no involvement...
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I don't think it was his intent to blame anything on Bush or Blunt. I think it was his intention to use them as metaphores for oppressive government in general. He was only saying, since when does the government have any say in how businesses spend their private funds? That is how I read it anyways.wheelscomp wrote:dweebe wrote:Doug wrote:Government has police power to regulate discrimination.
Since when did we live in a police state? Since when did Generalisimo Bush and Colonel Blunt have the right to tell a business who is receiving no public money for their project what to do with it?
Since when did they have anything to do with this? I thought it was a bunch of minority companies protesting their lack of contracts... I think its pretty funny how sometimes on this forum Prez Bush/Gov Blunt/any republican get blamed and rideculed for rediculous things with which they have no involvement...
That being said, I do not believe the protestors have a valid claim unless they have clear evidence that some sort of discrimination has occured.
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The local news segment I saw last night said that Pinnacle had pledged to employ 25% minorities (or award 25% of contracts ($$? ##?) to minority owned businesses). Currently they are at 20%. I think people were protesting that they aren't fulfilling their pledge.
Urban Elitist wrote:I don't think it was his intent to blame anything on Bush or Blunt. I think it was his intention to use them as metaphores for oppressive government in general. He was only saying, since when does the government have any sayis how businesses spend their private funds? That how I read it anyways.wheelscomp wrote:dweebe wrote:
Since when did we live in a police state? Since when did Generalisimo Bush and Colonel Blunt have the right to tell a business who is receiving no public money for their project what to do with it?
Since when did they have anything to do with this? I thought it was a bunch of minority companies protesting their lack of contracts... I think its pretty funny how sometimes on this forum Prez Bush/Gov Blunt/any republican get blamed and rideculed for rediculous things with which they have no involvement...
That being said, I do not believe the protestors have a valid claim unless they have clear evidence that some sort of discrimination has occured.
Exactly. I painted with a wide brush, but my goal was to illustrate the concept of a police state dictating a private entity what they should do.
I think part of Pinnacle's problem is they're going high end on a lot of stuff in this project. I know a drywall hanger and an electrician on the project. Apparently the requirements are very tough and exacting: the drywall guy says the stuff they're using is the heaviest/most expensive sound-deadening sheetrock. Tough stuff to work with.
Same with the electrician. He says they're the third firm brought in. Lots of high-end stuff that's easy to screw up. All the hotel rooms are being wired with Cat6 cable for high speed internet and HDTV.
I haven't talked to either of them since this went down. I'll try and find out what's going on.
I suppose you guys never heard of the Supreme Court Case Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US, which establishes that private discrimination is illegal and able to be regulated?
I find it quite interesting that a majority-minority city cannot even employ 25 percent minorities in construction contracts. What could be the reasoning?
They have the right to peaceful protest as the issue of minority employment is anything but resolved today.
I find it quite interesting that a majority-minority city cannot even employ 25 percent minorities in construction contracts. What could be the reasoning?
They have the right to peaceful protest as the issue of minority employment is anything but resolved today.
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I find it quite interesting that a majority-minority city cannot even employ 25 percent minorities in construction contracts. What could be the reasoning?
What percentage of licensed construction workers are minority?
Grover wrote:I find it quite interesting that a majority-minority city cannot even employ 25 percent minorities in construction contracts. What could be the reasoning?
What percentage of licensed construction workers are minority?
I wrote about this a little.
State Office of Supplier and Workforce Diversity has a database of all minority owned businesses in the entire State. View it here.
Some industries have quite a few, whereas masonry only has 2 minority owned contractors in the entire St. Louis Region.
It maybe hard to determine if unmet percentages are due to a lack of minority contractors, or discrimination. These reports, if they exist, are not exactly public documents.
Again, since St. Louis is a majority-minority City, perhaps the lack of minority owned businesses is an indication of a failed SLPS, which does include trade schools. Thus, we are not creating a lot of minority owned businesses because of an educational failure.
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Doug wrote:I suppose you guys never heard of the Supreme Court Case Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US, which establishes that private discrimination is illegal and able to be regulated?
Only if discrimination is occuring. That has not been shown in this case.
Grover wrote:I find it quite interesting that a majority-minority city cannot even employ 25 percent minorities in construction contracts. What could be the reasoning?
What percentage of licensed construction workers are minority?
And from my experience bidding on doing work for various contracts, the better way of phrasing the question is "What percentage of licensed construction workers working for/owning very large construction companies are minority"?
Because on projects like this, they want an electrical firm who can supply 50 electricians at a time. If you are Larry The Electrician (no matter what color) who shows up in his pickup with another guy, they won't even mess with you.
Publicly charging discrimination based on race, if not true, is slander.....libelous. If indeed Pinnacle has sought out minority businesses to fill their quotas, and not been able to find ones who meet their exacting standards, they should sue those individuals who are slandering them.