I can't believe that Rollin Stanley allowed that perkign lot ... and one would think that he would have insited on some street retail presence (as opposed to the monolithic, blank wall that this will present to the rest of the landing. .... one wonders how it is that we ended up with this after years of holding out for the "right" design. .... wonder how bad the original designs were
and actually - I just came from Vegas - and while I know its not fair to compare Vegas to our little casino - Vegas certainly made it clear to me that a casino can thrive even if it "opens itself up" to the street .... if this project just had some street side retail, soem resterauints that opened up to the street .. then it would'nt be that bad - ugly and all.
markofucity wrote:and actually - I just came from Vegas - and while I know its not fair to compare Vegas to our little casino - Vegas certainly made it clear to me that a casino can thrive even if it "opens itself up" to the street .... if this project just had some street side retail, soem resterauints that opened up to the street .. then it would'nt be that bad - ugly and all.
Partly true.
Some of the casinos on the east side of the strip do have good pedestrian close to street access. The stretch from the Venetian down to the Flamingo is a good example where storefronts are close and people can come and go easily. Especially around the Flamingo and Imperial Palace.
Same with the Fremont Street area: even before they closed it off.
But then again everything on the west side of the strip is set further back and mostly pedestrian unfriendly. For example the roach motel Ceasar's Palace. They have motorized pedways that go from the street into the casino, but you have to search to find a way to walk out.
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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:southslider wrote:Take away the monitor/TV/drive-in screen section of the tower, and maybe this is the building they mean by Frank Lloyd Wright inspiration.
Does that mean the roof will leak?
Probably. But its more likely that the building is based on giant paralellagrams. Look closely. The corners may only look square. They will have to buy hundreds of slot machines whose bases are also parallelagrams to make them fit. The fixtures in the bathrooms are also based on parallelograms, I bet, and may require training to use. And by the upper deck trees -- I think I can make out some falling water.
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FLW has be frequently critisized for his anti-urban ideas, so I googled Frank Lloyd Wright and urbanism, and this quote popped up...
In contrast to the openness of those houses and as if in conflict with their immediate city environment, Wright’s urban buildings tend to be walled in with light entering primarily from above, through skylights. Interestingly, these features contrasted with those of Sullivan’s buildings.
jlblues wrote:OK, I'm stumped. Where did you get that rendering? I have never seen it before and it is significantly different than the renderings on Pinnacle's website(s). I can't tell if it is a new or old rendering...
That's from Vinci Construction's website:
http://www.vincico.com/
http://www.vincico.com/projects/r7519/r7519xa0.html
Don't know how old it is compared to Pinnacle's pics, but agree that the two sets of renderings appear to be compatible.
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The skywalk seems completely unnecessary. Also, a large structure like that should be separated by 2 blocks. Like the Convention Center and dome, it ruins the city grid, necessary for a good pedestrian flow.
markofucity wrote:while I know its not fair to compare Vegas to our little casino - Vegas certainly made it clear to me that a casino can thrive even if it "opens itself up" to the street ....
I think Reno is a more urban environment than Vegas (you know, "Reno: The biggest little city in the world). Vegas has been taken over by the mega-resorts, but Reno still has a real-live, walkable "strip". I (barely) remember stopping for baccon and eggs while walking from one casino to another just down the block (at 4:00 in the morning).
Xing wrote:The skywalk seems completely unnecessary. Also, a large structure like that should be separated by 2 blocks. Like the Convention Center and dome, it ruins the city grid, necessary for a good pedestrian flow.
The skywalk will connect to the Embassy Suites. I believe Pinnacle has bought the E. Suites and will renovate it.
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This thing is simply hideous. I'm having trouble finding just one thing about it that I like.
Pinnacle doesn't want you to do that. In fact, they hope you never leave, until you run out of money of course.Framer wrote:...but Reno still has a real-live, walkable "strip". I (barely) remember stopping for baccon and eggs while walking from one casino to another just down the block (at 4:00 in the morning).
NEW YORK, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Casino company Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. (PNK.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday it agreed to an amendment of its agreement with St. Louis to build a casino there, upping the minimum investment level and pushing back some deadlines.
Under the terms of the amendment, Pinnacle is now required to spend at least $325 million on its downtown St. Louis project, up from the previously agreed $207.7 million. It must also put in a further $50 million for residential and retail facilities. Pinnacle has previously said it intends to build a $430 million project. The amendment also extends some deadlines for completing the project.
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Good News. I'll be curious to see what they come up with, perhaps they'll just add another 10 stories on Port St. Louis.
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That extra $100 million could build one hell of a parking garage!
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So did Pinnacle push for the amendment so they could delay part of the project. They were already planning to spend more than the new agreed upon amount. Did the city want a guarantee of a larger project than was already guaranteed - meaning, did they not trust that Pinnacle was going to build/spend what they said they would? Does anyone have insight as to who would push for the change (city/Pinnacle) and why?
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St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:NEW YORK, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Casino company Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. (PNK.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday it agreed to an amendment of its agreement with St. Louis to build a casino there, upping the minimum investment level and pushing back some deadlines.
Under the terms of the amendment, Pinnacle is now required to spend at least $325 million on its downtown St. Louis project, up from the previously agreed $207.7 million. It must also put in a further $50 million for residential and retail facilities. Pinnacle has previously said it intends to build a $430 million project. The amendment also extends some deadlines for completing the project.
I don't understand this...they were already going to spend 400mill on the casino and 50 mill for the extra res. development..how does this change things..??
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You've interpereted it correctly, nothing has changed. This is the same announcement they made a while back about upping the amount they are investing, I remember Slay blogged about it. It probably just took a while for it to make it all the way to Reuters in NYC.bpe235 wrote:I don't understand this...they were already going to spend 400mill on the casino and 50 mill for the extra res. development..how does this change things..??
The bottom of this article sort of explains how the floating barge will work.
Oct 17 (Reuters) - Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. (PNK.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Tuesday said it agreed to settle with President Casinos Inc. (PREZQ.OB: Quote, Profile, Research) and its affiliates to purchase the latter's St. Louis riverfront casino.
The deal allows Pinnacle to acquire President Riverboat Casino-Missouri Inc. for about $31.5 million and receive $52 million from President Riverboat's estate to settle Pinnacle's outstanding claims.
Pinnacle's plans to reorganize the bankrupt President Riverboat was earlier opposed by a competing bid from an equity committee of President Casinos, who will know support Pinnacle's plan. (Reporting by Anthony Kurian in Bangalore)
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlein ... URGENT.XML
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what exactly does this mean - they're not plannin on running two casinos on the riverfront are they? Does anhyone know - am I right to assume that they will simplychop the boat for its stuff and then sell it