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PostAug 19, 2006#201

^Geez, that view really makes it look like a suburban mall. The hotel tower should make quite an impact on the Northern Skyline, though. What are the future plans for that parking lot in the Northeast corner?

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PostAug 19, 2006#202

^Hopefully a large building, but I won't be holding my breath.

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PostAug 19, 2006#203

#-o ... the city gave Pinnacle all that land and they are building yet another parking lot? How dumb can the city be.... man alive. There is no doubt, the landing is it's own worst enemy.

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PostAug 19, 2006#204

Wow, concrete deck on what appears to be a garage, a parking lot, access roads, separate parking lot between the buildings (look close on the diagonal), and all the driveways.



What a wreck. This hurts more than it helps. This is likely the final nail in the coffin of the Landing as it might have been.

PostAug 19, 2006#205

Framer wrote: What are the future plans for that parking lot in the Northeast corner?


It will be cracked, stained with oil, and cars will be parked there. :lol:



When was the last time we saw a parking lot turned into anything else? Seems it typically works the other way around.

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PostAug 19, 2006#206

OK, I'm stumped. Where did you get that rendering? I have never seen it before and it is significantly different than the renderings on Pinnacle's website(s). I can't tell if it is a new or old rendering...



Also, Emporis has a listing for a condominium tower on Laclede's Landing as part of the Pinnacle - Laclede's Landing Development. It is listed as being 22 stories, but there is no rendering. I realize this is pure fiction, but has anyone ever seen a rendering?



http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=203010

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PostAug 19, 2006#207

Here are some of the current shots from the Pinnacle website.



This first one appears to be rendered as if standing underneath the MLK bridge:





This one looks to be as if you're standing on Carr Street in front of Sligo Steel





This one looks like you would be standing in the previosuly discussed lot.





I'm not sure why the url has "boomtownneworleans" in it, but that is what I found listed under their St. Louis project.

PostAug 19, 2006#208

Here's the press release from their main page. Not sure if it's been posted in this thread.


HOTEL & CASINO Downtown St. Louis LOCATION Pinnacle’s premier destination in downtown St. Louis will soon bring new vitality to the heart of the riverfront area, where this great river city began 240 years ago. Growing from the banks of the Mississippi River, the St. Louis Metropolitan Area is now the nation’s 18th largest, with more than 2.6 million residents. Pinnacle’s downtown property on the Landing sits in the shadow of the 630-foot Gateway Arch, which draws 4.1 million visitors per year, making it among the most-visited monuments in the National Park System. The property is also adjacent to St. Louis’ Central Business District, the America’s Center convention center and the 66,000-seat Edward Jones Dome, resting at the nexus of four Interstate highways (44, 55, 64 and 70) and MetroLink, the regions’ light rail system. This destination spot will be ideally suited to business travelers, visitors to the many nearby attractions and customers seeking exciting gaming action and entertainment amid the vitality of St. Louis’ historic riverfront. The dynamic curves of the Mississippi River and the Gateway Arch blend with the traditionally straight skyline to create the unmistakable St. Louis image. The Pinnacle project unites curves with the rectilinear to create a modern air, employs light and glass to cultivate life and excitement, and incorporates familiar materials throughout to generate warmth and comfort. Pinnacle seeks to not only bring entertainment and excitement to St. Louis, but to build on the city’s iconography by fully embracing its character. ECONOMIC IMPACT Pinnacle’s world-class project will invest more than $400 million into downtown St. Louis to create 2,000 jobs and produce an exciting entertainment destination. PROPERTY SIZE Pinnacle’s property sits on 7.3 acres with a gaming floor of approximately 75,000 square feet. CONSTRUCTION PERIOD/OPENING DATE Construction on this facility began in September 2005, with an anticipated opening in the second half of 2007, upon approval from the Missouri Gaming Commission. OWNERSHIP Casino One Corporation, a subsidiary of Pinnacle Entertainment, Inc. HOTEL INTERIOR DESIGN TEAM Brayton & Hughes MANAGEMENT Daniel R. Lee Chairman, Chief Executive Officer Wade Hundley President Steve Capp Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer Jack Godfrey Senior Vice President, Secretary & General Counsel Alain Uboldi Chief Operating Officer DESIGN APPROACH Inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright, the design will incorporate open space, yet retain an extremely contemporary ambiance. The look and feel of the project overall will be warm, urban, modern, hip and sophisticated. DEVELOPEMENT PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS • Single-level, 75,000 square-foot casino, featuring 2,000 slot machines and more than 40 table games; • Five star luxury hotel with 200 guestrooms and adjoining luxury spa; • Business center; • Banquet facilities; • Fine dining venue; • Additional dining venues including a high-quality buffet; • Retail shops; • Night club; • 22,000 square-foot Convention/Meeting space; • Swimming pool overlooking the St. Louis arch; • $50 million residential/retail development in the surrounding area; • Secure pedestrian connection to Central Business District, Edward Jones Dome and America’s Center. HOTEL The project features two hotels, including a five-star property and an Embassy Suites. The five-star hotel will include 200 rooms, a spa, two fine restaurants and a magnificent pool and entertainment area off the hotel lobby overlooking the Gateway Arch. At night, the hotel tower will light up in an arc reminiscent of the Arch from the side of the tower and across the top, creating a signature mark for the property and a stunning new addition to the city skyline. The porte cochere canopy drives through the glass entrance wall into the lobby to seamlessly connect the exterior with the interior. A rhythm of dramatically lit brick walls extends through the main walkway, anchoring the space to the exterior. Venues and building functions in wood and glass interact rhythmically down the corridor. The flowing pattern of wood beams in the ceiling accentuates a sense of movement throughout the space. CASINO The contrasting grid of soffits and ceiling tiles highlight the casino’s curving circulation and recessed ceiling feature. A deconstructed stain glass window casts light on the main pathway, filling it with color and enhancing the table games excitement that lines its edges. The elevated casino bar overlooks the flow of activity, which culminates in the high limit area with its waterfall of crystal and light. NIGHTCLUB Soon to be the new downtown St. Louis hotspot, the night club will transform itself from restaurant to night club to music venue, appealing to multiple consumer audiences. Stainless steel, wood and darkly stained concrete contrast with the rich glow of red resin to provide a hip and timeless vibe. The curved structural shape, derived from the great modern works of Saarinen and Calatrava, creates an intimate interior space while providing a strong visual presence in the casino. Clad with stainless steel mesh, the venue’s exterior wall effectively blurs the relationship between the indoors and outdoors. A gigantic wood window allows muffled sounds and screened sights to pass through its dimensions, teasing outsiders to the metamorphosis occurring inside. FOOD VENUES With several options to choose from, visitors can enjoy a variety of dining experiences ranging from fine dining to fast food. Dining options also include a high-quality buffet, 24-hour dining, a VIP lounge, coffee café and sports bar/restaurant. Reminiscent of the color and movement of Union Station, the buffet merges the station elements of steel and brick with the contemporary design of open ceilings and low walls. The brass bar stock laid into the stained concrete floor conjures up images of train tracks, while the curved carpet pattern lines indicate the foot traffic patterns. A barrel vault features multi-colored resin panels inspired by the Grand Hall’s ceiling and the mosaic artwork of the Three Sisters. PEDESTRIAN CONECTION Pedestrians from America’s Center, the Edward Jones Dome or the Central Business District will access the site via a secure pedestrian connection which will tunnel beneath Interstate 70 along the western edge of the site, and enter at the casino and adjoining amenities. PINNACLE ENTERTAINMENT, INC.SM Pinnacle Entertainment owns and operates casinos in Nevada, Louisiana, Indiana, Argentina, and the Bahamas, owns a hotel in Missouri, receives lease income from a card club casino in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, and owns a casino site and has significant insurance claims related to a hurricane damaged casino previously operated in Biloxi, Mississippi. Pinnacle also has two casino development projects in the St. Louis, Missouri area, which are dependent upon final approval by the Missouri Gaming Commission. Pinnacle Entertainment is publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker PNK. For more information about Pinnacle Entertainment, Inc., please visit www.pnkinc.com. Pinnacle Entertainment, Inc. is an equal opportunity employer committed to responsible gaming. ©2006 Pinnacle Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved.


I'm assuming from the renderings the parking garage will be on the west end of the property facing the dome and the casino will be on the southest corner facing the Landing.

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PostAug 19, 2006#209

That's disappointing.

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PostAug 20, 2006#210

Just remember everyone: This project was "inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright". :roll:

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PostAug 20, 2006#211

Framer wrote:Just remember everyone: This project was "inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright". :roll:


Yeah, that one baffled me too. :lol:

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PostAug 20, 2006#212

I see nothing in the renderings that leads me to belive the aerial shot is false. None of those parking areas are really shown in any of the shots... and I wonder why... :roll:

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PostAug 20, 2006#213

^If you look closely at those three renderings above, the common elements in them all look different, the hotel tower, the entrance and porte cochere, the casino, the elevated pool (in fact, the only thing that looks the same is the parking garage). So, it is hard to be certain what the final design will look like, other than it will be a giant ugly eyesore looming over the Landing.


Framer wrote:Just remember everyone: This project was "inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright". :roll:
Well, the porte cochere is, sort of...I guess. :wink: What is that sound? FLW spinning in his grave, I think, for even being mentioned in association with this monstrosity.



BTW, who IS the architect on this thing? Dr. Frankenstein?



IT'S ALIVE!!! :lol:

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PostAug 20, 2006#214

I'm really hoping that this turns out better than the rendering makes it look. The base of the tower building looks like a piece of '80s crap in the rendering, and what's with that brickwork on the ground floor? No interaction whatsoever with the neighborhood or street/sidewalk that I can tell.



Another question-will there only be one entrance to the casino? We all know that this should open up both towards the Landing and towards the West to draw in people from DT proper as well as the Landing. Does pinnacle realize that the Landing is a walkable district where bar-hopping pedestrians dominate? Will it be inviting to said pedestrians?



If I'm bar hopping and want to go to the casino, I'm not going to want to walk all around this monstrocity trying to find the entrance. And pinnacle is being very dishonest by showing pedestrians outside along blank walls facing green space. What reason would anyone have to be there (aside from beggers and muggers)? Unless they change something, or unless I'm missing something here, this could turn into more pedestrian "dead space" for the Landing.

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PostAug 20, 2006#215

It looks like St. Louis is about to be blessed once again with another monstrous piece of crap (the Thing that ate the Landing). It's so bad it's got to be considered a work of art by the architectural critics.

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This rendering cracks me up. It is not too hard to figure out what the architect's inspiration was for the hotel in this one. Could it be the thing the architect stared at day-in and day-out during the design process...his or her computer monitor? :lol:

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PostAug 20, 2006#217

^ or a drive in movie screen

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PostAug 20, 2006#218

Jeff wrote:I'm really hoping that this turns out better than the rendering makes it look.


Unfortunately, renderings always look better. No exceptions. From the "glossy" pavement to the daring pedestrians, renderings show what people want to see, whereas the final product is much, much worse.

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PostAug 21, 2006#219

This picture looks like the design rejected by St. John's hostpital because it was not exciting and daring enough for a hospital.

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PostAug 21, 2006#220

Those rather dapper pedestrians sure don't look like anyone I've ever seen in a casino!

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PostAug 21, 2006#221

The enterance looks like the rejected design of a 60's Indian themed casino in Reno. Wow...it really is a shame that it is so ugly. Maybe they can take a clue from Kansas City. In downtown KC, there is a Marriot(I think) that has thousands of lights on the side of the tower that lights up in cool patterns and really gives the skyline some color and pizazz at night. Didn't they say there were going to have some cool lighting on this? I would hope so, because that would be the only thing to save this from disaster. Don't get me wrong, I'll still go gamble there, but I will still think it is ugly.



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PostAug 21, 2006#222

Framer wrote:Those rather dapper pedestrians sure don't look like anyone I've ever seen in a casino!


But everyone is driving a Gremlin -- consistent with people who have lost a lot of money gambling. By the way, I just realized that I may have been pronouncing the name of this casino wrong all this time. I think its "PEE nuhk uhl", as in "Pinochle."

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PostAug 21, 2006#223

Take away the monitor/TV/drive-in screen section of the tower, and maybe this is the building they mean by Frank Lloyd Wright inspiration.

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PostAug 21, 2006#224

Perhaps the designers were inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright to create something that in no way resembled any of his fine work.


Those rather dapper pedestrians sure don't look like anyone I've ever seen in a casino!


That's because they're not actually casino patrons. Notice they're not going into or coming out of the casino! :)

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PostAug 21, 2006#225

southslider wrote:Take away the monitor/TV/drive-in screen section of the tower, and maybe this is the building they mean by Frank Lloyd Wright inspiration.


Does that mean the roof will leak?

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