Larry Rice - New Life Evangelistic Center

bprop · PostJan 15, 2009#3762009-01-15T21:27+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote:^does he have another job aside from running the non-profit NLEC from which he "derives" an income?

I don't know; I don't Google his name every day in hopes of making a tenuous link to something sinister.

Is your conclusion that Larry Rice's personal net worth is 40 to 50 million dollars?

gopher · PostJan 15, 2009#3772009-01-15T22:23+00:00

Honestly, I don't think I or anyone else would have an issue if NLEC ran an organization that was effective, worked with the community, kept their clients / neighbors safe, stopped promoting some warped sense of entitlement, and was transparent.

Maybe Larry started off with the best intentions, I just don't know.

I will tell you that people that abuse the IRS church and non-profit tax laws are stealing from you and me and every other taxpayer. Invoking the name of God to avoid accountability and responsibility while flaunting the laws of this country should be an affront to every law abiding citizen.

I really wouldn't care if Larry and NLEC kept to themselves and stopped trying to create controversy wherever they went to fuel their own agenda by almost any means necessary. Fact of the matter is they do, it affects my neighborhood, my friends, my family, and it's gotta stop.

bprop · PostJan 15, 2009#3782009-01-15T22:35+00:00

gopher wrote:
I will tell you that people that abuse the IRS church and non-profit tax laws are stealing from you and me and every other taxpayer.

I agree. Seriously, 100%.

But you've yet to prove anything beyond tenuous speculation and downright bizarre leaps of logic from newspaper articles.

the central scrutinizer · PostJan 15, 2009#3792009-01-15T22:43+00:00

gopher wrote:Honestly, I don't think I or anyone else would have an issue if NLEC ran an organization that was effective, worked with the community, kept their clients / neighbors safe, stopped promoting some warped sense of entitlement, and was transparent.

Maybe Larry started off with the best intentions, I just don't know.

I will tell you that people that abuse the IRS church and non-profit tax laws are stealing from you and me and every other taxpayer. Invoking the name of God to avoid accountability and responsibility while flaunting the laws of this country should be an affront to every law abiding citizen.

I really wouldn't care if Larry and NLEC kept to themselves and stopped trying to create controversy wherever they went to fuel their own agenda by almost any means necessary. Fact of the matter is they do, it affects my neighborhood, my friends, my family, and it's gotta stop.

Well said.

urban_dilettante · PostJan 15, 2009#3802009-01-15T23:11+00:00

I don't know; I don't Google his name every day in hopes of making a tenuous link to something sinister.

that makes two of us.

Is your conclusion that Larry Rice's personal net worth is 40 to 50 million dollars?

i don't think he claims 50 million in personals on his taxes, but given NLEC's assets i think it's curious that his properties are in such poor condition and he refuses to collaborate with other organizations to improve his services (bologna sandwiches?) and despite all of NLEC's media holdings i've read of only one case in which a homeless person received any practical career training. yet the NLEC can afford to purchase an improperly zoned house to convert into a clean energy training center? of course! what homeless service would be complete without one?

i just think it's all very curious.

stldtfan · PostJan 16, 2009#3812009-01-16T05:08+00:00

I agree with bprop that personal attacks (meaning attacks on his personal life) should have no bearing on NLEC lack of vision to reduce homelessness. I do believe though that an org that champions the cause of the homeless should not have massed millions of $$ of assets.

In cold nights like tonight's (and MAN it is cold), I agree that Rice's help may be well received by people in need. Question to ask would be, if those assets were applied properly, would we have this issue of homeless people congregating outside his center?

Look.....for all it is worth, if Rice updated his center, put full time beds in that building and got a housing permit and became a positive influence to the city instead of antagonizing anyone who questions his motives, many people may actually lend a hand, like they have to clean the park. I seriously doubt anyone on this forum would ever want to hurt the homeless, but many of us (including I) feel they are being exploited right now and being pitted against the residents.

framer · PostJan 16, 2009#3822009-01-16T05:48+00:00

I'm no fan of Rice, but let's keep things in perspective. There are two sides to a balance sheet: Assets and Liabilities. Even if Rice does have "$50 million" in assets, who's to say he doesn't owe even more?

the central scrutinizer · PostJan 16, 2009#3832009-01-16T14:50+00:00

Framer wrote:I'm no fan of Rice, but let's keep things in perspective. There are two sides to a balance sheet: Assets and Liabilities. Even if Rice does have "$50 million" in assets, who's to say he doesn't owe even more?

Yeah, he has to pay for all those improvments he's made to his building!

bprop · PostJan 16, 2009#3842009-01-16T14:50+00:00

STLDTFAN wrote:I agree with bprop that personal attacks (meaning attacks on his personal life) should have no bearing on NLEC lack of vision to reduce homelessness. I do believe though that an org that champions the cause of the homeless should not have massed millions of $$ of assets.

NLEC operates 14 shelters in 4 states, and a number of free-standing stores, plus the radio/TV stations, and other ancillary buildings. Using a number like $50 million without understanding that it's spread across all those buildings and supporting assets (vehicles, kitchen equipment) and it's not that much. Unless you contend and prove that NLEC is sitting on a pile of unused money, $50M in total assets sounds about right to run fourteen relatively bare-bones homeless shelters.

moorlander · PostJan 16, 2009#3852009-01-16T15:16+00:00

I heard that the basement of the NLEC is filled with gold bullion and that the "homeless" he claims to serve are actually ex-military. However, I have yet to verify this as fact.

urbanpioneer · PostJan 16, 2009#3862009-01-16T15:20+00:00

^ Well, veterans do make up a large percentage of the homeless population.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... rans_N.htm

urban_dilettante · PostJan 16, 2009#3872009-01-16T16:32+00:00

Moorlander wrote:I heard that the basement of the NLEC is filled with gold bullion and that the "homeless" he claims to serve are actually ex-military. However, I have yet to verify this as fact.

that also fits with my undead pirate theory.

gopher · PostJan 22, 2009#3882009-01-22T21:37+00:00

http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/offt ... ignal.html

http://www.kmov.com/news/asseenonnews4/ ... c4125.html

Maybe KMOV should hire some of the highly "trained" homeless from KNLC to help them with their engineering "issues".

bprop · PostJan 22, 2009#3892009-01-22T23:29+00:00

Great post. Makes you look anything but petty and vindictive.

the central scrutinizer · PostJan 22, 2009#3902009-01-22T23:49+00:00

gopher wrote:http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/offt ... ignal.html

http://www.kmov.com/news/asseenonnews4/ ... c4125.html

Maybe KMOV should hire some of the highly "trained" homeless from KNLC to help them with their engineering "issues".

LOL! Great idea! It's crystal clear that the whole NLEC training thing is a scam. Like everything else involving Larry.

lukethedrifter · PostJan 23, 2009#3912009-01-23T15:47+00:00

I know next to nothing of the allegations against Larry Rice but what I don't understand is why his organization does not do anything to improve the health and hygiene of their clientele beyond calling 911 for them.

gopher · PostMar 13, 2009#3922009-03-13T20:04+00:00

At least it's not in our downtown...

http://www.semissourian.com/article/200 ... /703019915

urban_dilettante · PostMar 14, 2009#3932009-03-14T16:51+00:00

i just took a look at http://www.larryricetruth.com for the first time: i don't know who maintains it, or if anyone here knows the proprietor, but i think it's extremely important that the "About Us" section be completed. people will disregard the site if they have no idea who's responsible for it - especially important now that someone has linked it from the above seMissourian article.

just my 2¢.

resurrectus · PostMar 17, 2009#3942009-03-17T06:01+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote:i just took a look at http://www.larryricetruth.com for the first time: i don't know who maintains it, or if anyone here knows the proprietor, but i think it's extremely important that the "About Us" section be completed. people will disregard the site if they have no idea who's responsible for it - especially important now that someone has linked it from the above seMissourian article.

just my 2¢.

I just checked out that http://www.larryricetruth.com/ site, and it has legitimate links to other news sources (Riverfront Times, STLtoday.com, fox2now.com, etc.) to back up the site.

bprop · PostMar 17, 2009#3952009-03-17T15:29+00:00

Actually, most of the links are either broken (i.e. to Fox2) or go to opinion sites such as blogs.

resurrectus · PostMar 17, 2009#3962009-03-17T19:31+00:00

bprop wrote:Actually, most of the links are either broken (i.e. to Fox2) or go to opinion sites such as blogs.

100% of the links on http://www.larryricetruth.com/links work when I click on them.

Perhaps the fox2now.com site was temporarily down when you clicked on links to it.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 17, 2009#3972009-03-17T19:38+00:00

Resurrectus wrote:
bprop wrote:Actually, most of the links are either broken (i.e. to Fox2) or go to opinion sites such as blogs.
100% of the links on http://www.larryricetruth.com/links work when I click on them.

Perhaps the fox2now.com site was temporarily down when you clicked on links to it.

Yep, they work for me too.

Everyone should get on that site and learn the truth about Mr. Rice.

threeonefour · PostMar 17, 2009#3982009-03-17T19:45+00:00

gopher wrote:At least it's not in our downtown...

http://www.semissourian.com/article/200 ... /703019915

Oh my! As a Southeast Missouri State alum, I lived in Cape Girardeau for several years and enjoyed my time there. The former federal building in which Rice is interested is downtown at the intersection of Broadway and Fountain Street. It is available because a new and much larger federal building opened last year at Independence and Frederick streets a few blocks to the southwest by the Cape Girardeau City Hall.

Allowing Rev. Rice to take this building would have dire consequences for downtown Cape Girardeau. Most of downtown Cape is nice overall, especially along the riverfront. But downtown stretches several blocks west along Broadway, and some parts of it are better than others.

Directly across from the former federal building is the Marquette Hotel. It closed as a hotel in 1971, and while I was a student living in Cape Girardeau, it was in deplorable condition and threatened with demolition. Thanks to historic tax credits (take note, Cape native Sen. Crowell) the building was renovated a few years ago and is now home to offices and two nice restaurants at the main level. It could be an anchor for this part of downtown that's not as attractive or cohesive (yet) as the blocks closest to the river. Let Rev. Rice into the Federal Building, though, and several years of progress will have gone to waste IMHO.

I'll post future observations about Rice's plans for Cape Girardeau in the outstate Missouri forum, but I thought I should share this here for now.

bprop · PostMar 17, 2009#3992009-03-17T19:47+00:00

Can we learn the speculation about his previous relationship with his dead wife, or his personal 40-50M in assets, or is that only found on this forum?

innov8ion · PostMar 17, 2009#4002009-03-17T20:01+00:00

^ You're setting up a straw man argument and no one's interested in playing your game. We should focus on improving welfare for the homeless. That website seems to do a pretty good job exposing the various problems about Larry Rice's NLEC.

Larry Rice - New Life Evangelistic Center

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