urbanSTL

Oh and if Larry states again that "anyone can use my address at 1411 Locust"....



http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5890000407.HTMChapter 589

Crime Prevention and Control Programs and Services

Section 589.407

2. The offender shall provide positive identification and documentation to substantiate the accuracy of the information completed on the offender registration form, including but not limited to the following:



(1) A photocopy of a valid driver's license or nondriver's identification card;



(2) A document verifying proof of the offender's residency; and



(3) A photocopy of the vehicle registration for each of the offender's vehicles.

Great article. Putting names, ages, and situations with the homeless (and, in this case, the volunteers) helps keep things in perspective. These folks are not basking in the glory of being homeless; at least the ones in the article want to help their families and survive day to day.



Regarding:

This is done so suburban white people can drive their SUVs to their suburban white churches and put $20 in the collection plate and then go back to their suburban white subdivisions and tell all their white neighbors how they are doing their part to combat homelessness and please their sky fairy, all the while peering nervously out their windows whenever a black person is spotted in the area.

You may have missed the part about:

The bus belongs to the Mobile Kitchen Ministries of the St. Vincent de Paul Society in East St. Louis. Mostly, it serves the needy on the east side of the river.

Other volunteers included Ronnie Ryan, who was doing the cooking, and Laura Kamper and her 14-year-old son, Jeremy, who were helping serve the food. Jeremy goes to St. Joan of Arc school on the city's south side. Sister Margaret Clifford of the Daughters of Charity was doing the dishes.

What really says it all are the following:

In 1975, the Rev. Larry Rice paid $50,000 for the old five-story YWCA at 1411 Locust and turned it into the New Life Evangelistic Center. In the mornings, when the homeless left the shelter, many of them shuffled across 14th Street and took up residence in the park. So Lucas Park evolved into Hobo Park.

Most notable quotes:



Leaving me wondering about legality:

He said he was 24 and was from Chiapas, Mexico.

Doh!

...He said he had a mental illness, and he sometimes liked to come downtown and mingle with the homeless. "I feel like I can blend right in," he said.

Personal Favorite:

...This is like a Denny's on wheels.

Most obvious:

...the very act of feeding the homeless at the park encouraged the homeless to stay in the park.

gopher wrote:


Most obvious:

...the very act of feeding the homeless at the park encouraged the homeless to stay in the park.

Most obvious....that it was taken out of context. It certainly wasn't stated as fact nor as the author's contention.

Three years ago, some of the loft-dwellers complained. Perhaps they were concerned about litter, although that isn't really a problem because people eat on the bus. Or perhaps they simply felt that the very act of feeding the homeless at the park encouraged the homeless to stay in the park.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/stlog/ ... _louis.php



and...



http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/stlog/ ... y_rice.php

Bogus Test says:

The marchers testing how effectively the Housing Resource Center is able to meet the needs of homeless men and veterans only wasted valuable resources for homeless persons actually needing assistance. All of the marchers were given a bed and bus tickets. The marchers did not show up at the shelter as expected for the beds that were reserved for them. These were beds that went unfilled that night because of this bogus prank. There are over 50 organizations collaborating routinely to assist and house homeless people. New Life has never attended the monthly meetings. Therefore, the information they give to homeless people is incorrect.

By contacting the United Way at 211, anyone can get referred to the appropriate services that they need.



Stating that you need help and then not taking it is in my opinion fraud of the worst kind.

gopher wrote:


By contacting the United Way at 211, anyone can get referred to the appropriate services that they need.

Does United Way refer people in need to NLEC? (hint)

That listing just happens to be an all-inclusive resource guide, in an uploaded directory... from 2007... let's see what happened in 2008? Murder, assaults, rape, chainsaw attack, flagrant violations of the law by the non-profit org ITSELF...



So out of curiosity I went to their website and checked their online database...



Funny... I don't see NLEC listed currently... I'm sure it's just an "oversight" or some sort of "city fathers" inspired "conspiracy" against Larry.



Maybe someone can answer where the thousands of homeless people Larry and NLEC keep talking about? By the way Larry talks I would've expected to see a march of thousands of vagrants parading through the city, but we get the same 30 bums that keep harassing us day in and day out...



The RFT article makes mention of "Where's Larry?"

Maybe he's praying with convicted felons and strip club owners that he sells his radio stations:

(hint)



Maybe he's hanging out with convicted child molestors:

(hint)



Maybe he's getting ready for his wedding / divorce round #2...

(hint)



Anyone know if your spouse can testify against you in court?

Wait. You post a 2005 article about Larry and the now-deceased Penny Rice healing their marriage and renewing their wedding vows, and use it as an ungrounded basis to speculate on his personal life (for which you seem to be obsessed, by the way)? How many hours a day do you spend Googling "Larry Rice" in order to dredge up this mud that you sling?



Here's a hot tip for you: I saw Larry serving Christmas dinner to homeless while wearing a red sweater. Could he be hanging out with communists now?

Funny... I don't see NLEC listed currently... I'm sure it's just an "oversight" or some sort of "city fathers" inspired "conspiracy" against Larry.

Master of the strawman. Did Larry ever say that about UW? Meals on Wheels, Sunshine Mission, and Crisis Nursery are among the many agencies to which UW refers the needy but does not receive funding as a member agency. Perhaps you could fabricate some imagined conspiracy against them too and use it to attack them.

bprop wrote:Wait. You post a 2005 article about Larry and the now-deceased Penny Rice healing their marriage and renewing their wedding vows, and use it as an ungrounded basis to speculate on his personal life (for which you seem to be obsessed, by the way)? How many hours a day do you spend Googling "Larry Rice" in order to dredge up this mud that you sling?



Here's a hot tip for you: I saw Larry serving Christmas dinner to homeless while wearing a red sweater. Could he be hanging out with communists now?

Funny... I don't see NLEC listed currently... I'm sure it's just an "oversight" or some sort of "city fathers" inspired "conspiracy" against Larry.

Master of the strawman. Did Larry ever say that about UW? Meals on Wheels, Sunshine Mission, and Crisis Nursery are among the many agencies to which UW refers the needy but does not receive funding as a member agency. Perhaps you could fabricate some imagined conspiracy against them too and use it to attack them.

bprop......nothing can change the fact that the homeless solution is NOT in Larry's mind. Leveraging them to further his coffers is. Assets worth $50 million can (could have) go a LONG way in eliminating the homeless situation. Please note that most of the people here, on this forum, are working men and women who have seen the homeless situation get worse instead of better. I can well understand your stance in defending Larry if you are on his payroll, but please apply common sense and let me know the "strategy" (NOT THE TACTICS) that Larry has to solve the homeless problem? He has the assets, but not the will to apply those assets to "better" the life of the homeless. Most people on this forum may never even have seen a million $$, leave aside 50, so the onus of the task should be on the person who portrays himself as the messiah of the homeless.

He does provide some beds and sometimes food, but that does nothing to rehab the people. It provides no long term value, which I truly believe is what is needed to grow that asset base of his through donations. He has no plan for the homeless. NONE.

STLDTFAN wrote:
I can well understand your stance in defending Larry if you are on his payroll, but please apply common sense and let me know the "strategy" (NOT THE TACTICS) that Larry has to solve the homeless problem?

That's the thing. I don't necessarily think that what Rice is doing is the best for homeless in the long run, all other things ignored. After a night like last night, though, I understand he does fill a temporary need, particularly for the mentally ill and drug-addicted who simply can not be served neatly and handily by just showing up at the United Way or St. Patrick's Center.



In an ultimate bit of irony, though, some here lambaste the "tactics" that Rice uses....yet instead of addressing the homeless problem with focus, they use their own ineffective tactics which sheds doubt on their motives. They attack Rice on a personal level (I'd love to hear about how the article of he and the late Penny fixing their marriage and renewing their vows is tantamount to "working on divorce #2"), and reveailingly, question HIS motives and complain ad nauseum about nuisance issues that unfortunately accompany homelessness. We know about those. I see them every day as you do. But somehow visiting their behavior on Larry Rice the man is utterly ridiculous.



Keep in mind, the attacks are not on a professional or organizational level, but on a personal level -- making unfounded accusations and implications about his finances, his marriage, his "hanging out with predators". So I turn it back around -- can we address the actual organizational failings of NLEC without slinging mud at real or perceived personal failings of Larry Rice? It just casts a shadow on your (the general "you" not you STLDTFAN) own motives.

the attacks on his finances, at least, are not unfounded. i believe there is a link to court documents outlining his assets earlier in this thread. also, it is impossible to address the organizational failings of rice's NLEC without addressing the managerial failings of larry rice. even in court, however, personal information is sometimes allowed to establish character, motives, etc.

urban_dilettante wrote:the attacks on his finances, at least, are not unfounded. i believe there is a link to court documents outlining his assets earlier in this thread.

No there aren't. It's been said many times, but HIS personal assets are not legitimately in question, yet. I have long said that if it were a real, founded issue with actual implications (like he owns a $1M mansion in West County at the expense of his mission, a scenario that's been offered), then any defense I have for him personally would evaporate. Until then, it's all hot air and vapor.



Personal information posted about his relationship with his wife -- particularly when the article is POSITIVE and highlights their vow renewal and healing -- being presented with a negative connotation...would not be welcomed in any court. Get real. It's beyond laughable.

^^um...here you go:

gopher wrote:Let's clarify by reading the court document that NLEC submitted.

http://www.martello.org/NLEC/Case_104-c ... 092004.pdf



Section 6:

"The approximate value of New Life's real estate assets and media holdings is $40 to $50 million dollars".



Section 29:

"... unrestricted assets of over $5,000,000 and citing its detailed fund raising plans, the current amount of cash on hand and its loan commitment of up to $3,000,000 from Cass Bank in St. Louis"



I'm not going to jump to conclusions, I am just stating facts. I'll leave it up to others to form their own opinion in the light of Rev. Rice's activities.



Oh and please don't "spit on a jack*ss yuppie."

As that could be a violation of Chapter 15 of the St. Louis City revised code *grin*

(it actually is...)

http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/cco/code/data/t1538.htm

if larry's personal finances aren't derived from the NLEC then where do they come from?

And you can "derive" about Rice's personal finances exactly what it shows in the statements about his personal finances; namely, nothing. But don't let that stop your seething hatred for the man.

^does he have another job aside from running the non-profit NLEC from which he "derives" an income?



seething? i don't have time to seethe over larry rice. i would, however, like him to keep up his property and take measures to ensure that his guests do not sh*t in the park - you know, like the rest of us have to do when we have guests over. i don't think that's too much to ask.