Angry frustrated grumbling...
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^ grrrr.... harumph..... !^%$@%^$^%@!
I just can't understand how it is acceptable that Cordish-DeWitt don't have a tower or two in the works for BPV.
I just can't understand how it is acceptable that Cordish-DeWitt don't have a tower or two in the works for BPV.
I wonder if De Witt is even aware of what his "development partner" is doing across the state. It's like Cordish brought two dates to the Prom, but they're only dancing with one of them.
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Well, I can see junior getting jilted as he's kinda dorky. And to be honest. I don't think we'd have a waiting list of 3,000 for two towers like they do for the Lights, but again I just can't imagine we'd have anything less than a couple hundred units at premium prices lease up quickly
I disagree.
I bet Towers overlooking the ballpark and village would have waiting lists too!
I bet Towers overlooking the ballpark and village would have waiting lists too!
In addition... These towers are offering many styles of apartments - unlike the Tower at OP in downtown STL.
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I think we would, too, but not necessarily 3,000.... part of that assumption is that rents (or sales price) would be higher than at the Lights as they'd be receiving less subsidy here. But even at a premium I think they'd still have strong demandmatguy70 wrote:I disagree.
I bet Towers overlooking the ballpark and village would have waiting lists too!
KC continues to blast out plans for some big plans in greater Downtown:
Developers plan huge mixed-use project tying Crown Center, Union Hill
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... -hill.html
An Indianapolis-based developer and a local urban-core developer have teamed up with plans to build and manage 425 residential units and commercial space on a site between existing development in the Crown Center complex and the Union Hill neighborhood....
St. Louis-based HOK, which is working with UC-B Properties on other projects in the region, will be the master planner and design architect for the Crown Center project.
$45M apartment project near Kemper Arena wins support
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... oject.html
Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins Properties on Thursday was granted a 25-year property tax abatement to help finance its third project in the Kansas City area — the $45 million-plus Stockyards District Apartments in the West Bottoms....
the four-story project will include 230 market-rate apartments over 8,000 square feet of retail. It will be developed on an underused surface parking area immediately south of the Livestock Exchange Building, 1600 Genessee St., and just north of Kemper Arena.
And here is one for the Plaza area:
Towering mixed-use project proposed north of Plaza
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... plaza.html
Plans for a mixed-use project calling for twin apartment and hotel towers on land Commerce Bank owns just north of the Country Club Plaza will be considered during the Dec. 1 meeting of the Kansas City Plan Commission.
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Plaza Hotels LLC has proposed a 10-story, 252-room hotel tower and a 13-story, 168-unit apartment project over a retail village and a 519-space garage on a site bounded by Broadway, Wornall Road, 46th Street and 46th Terrace...
Developers plan huge mixed-use project tying Crown Center, Union Hill
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... -hill.html
An Indianapolis-based developer and a local urban-core developer have teamed up with plans to build and manage 425 residential units and commercial space on a site between existing development in the Crown Center complex and the Union Hill neighborhood....
St. Louis-based HOK, which is working with UC-B Properties on other projects in the region, will be the master planner and design architect for the Crown Center project.
$45M apartment project near Kemper Arena wins support
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... oject.html
Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins Properties on Thursday was granted a 25-year property tax abatement to help finance its third project in the Kansas City area — the $45 million-plus Stockyards District Apartments in the West Bottoms....
the four-story project will include 230 market-rate apartments over 8,000 square feet of retail. It will be developed on an underused surface parking area immediately south of the Livestock Exchange Building, 1600 Genessee St., and just north of Kemper Arena.
And here is one for the Plaza area:
Towering mixed-use project proposed north of Plaza
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... plaza.html
Plans for a mixed-use project calling for twin apartment and hotel towers on land Commerce Bank owns just north of the Country Club Plaza will be considered during the Dec. 1 meeting of the Kansas City Plan Commission.
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Plaza Hotels LLC has proposed a 10-story, 252-room hotel tower and a 13-story, 168-unit apartment project over a retail village and a 519-space garage on a site bounded by Broadway, Wornall Road, 46th Street and 46th Terrace...
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Forget St. Louis: Kansas City Keeps Indianapolis In Its Sights
http://kcur.org/post/forget-st-louis-ka ... s#stream/0When it comes to metros that Kansas City considers its competition for business, population growth, conventions and prestige: Forget about St. Louis. We left that rivalry behind in the last century.
People whose job it is to keep KC competitive point to Nashville, Denver, Charlotte, Minneapolis and Louisville as among our chief 21st century opponents.
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^Wow, that quote was very deceptive. I took it to be dismissive and down right douchy. Reading the article and its a very different tone.
Here we go again. 
The author of the article, Kevin Collison, must have been in one of those cars that collided with KC's new streetcar. This article (commentary) proves once again some folk in KC definitely have an obsessive inferiority-competitive complex and dearth of knowledge when it comes to St. Louis.
Why is it that I never see articles (or opinions) like this come out of St. Louis in regards to KC.
KC has does have an advantage on population growth. But everything else......not so much.
-Business........No. Absolutely, not. But if he meant "job growth", then yes - and only slightly better. They are not creaming St. Louis in job growth. Also, too, I don't know of any direct St. Louis vs. KC competition between the cities for landing jobs or HQ's. Nonetheless, St. Louis too has competed against and won some victories against cities such as Dallas, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Charlotte, Seattle, Chicago, Raleigh-Durham, Denver etc. Chances are each region goes after certain types of (or specific) jobs or HQs that fit with the local labor pool or skill-set. In that regard, although there is some economic crossover, St. Louis would not have much direct competition with KC anyway. And what the hell is an "upper-end" business? "New economy"? If so, St. Louis is now competing for those too. Square, Pandora, Answers, start-ups etc. etc. are a testament of that competition. St. Louis even helped KC set up LaunchKC (think Arch Grants) and LaunchCode.
-Conventions.......No. Seriously? Source #1 and Source #2 Plus, St. Louis is the largest tourist destination in the State of Missouri. Larger than Branson even. New York Times: 52 Places to Go in 2016. Enough said.
-Prestige.......Hell, no. While St. Louis has had its issues in the national media (namely Ferguson, police shootings, policing, governance, protests, Trump rally and crime) despite these things, however, St. Louis is still more renown. While KC is gaining in "prestige", I certainly wouldn't call KC "more prestigious". Nonetheless, it's a matter of opinion and it also depends on what is being measured. For example, the tech scenes. Both cities still continue to fetch lots of publicity in regards to their technology scenes. But overall prestige? Certainly not, in my opinion.
The author of the article, Kevin Collison, must have been in one of those cars that collided with KC's new streetcar. This article (commentary) proves once again some folk in KC definitely have an obsessive inferiority-competitive complex and dearth of knowledge when it comes to St. Louis.
Why is it that I never see articles (or opinions) like this come out of St. Louis in regards to KC.
KC has does have an advantage on population growth. But everything else......not so much.
-Business........No. Absolutely, not. But if he meant "job growth", then yes - and only slightly better. They are not creaming St. Louis in job growth. Also, too, I don't know of any direct St. Louis vs. KC competition between the cities for landing jobs or HQ's. Nonetheless, St. Louis too has competed against and won some victories against cities such as Dallas, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Charlotte, Seattle, Chicago, Raleigh-Durham, Denver etc. Chances are each region goes after certain types of (or specific) jobs or HQs that fit with the local labor pool or skill-set. In that regard, although there is some economic crossover, St. Louis would not have much direct competition with KC anyway. And what the hell is an "upper-end" business? "New economy"? If so, St. Louis is now competing for those too. Square, Pandora, Answers, start-ups etc. etc. are a testament of that competition. St. Louis even helped KC set up LaunchKC (think Arch Grants) and LaunchCode.
-Conventions.......No. Seriously? Source #1 and Source #2 Plus, St. Louis is the largest tourist destination in the State of Missouri. Larger than Branson even. New York Times: 52 Places to Go in 2016. Enough said.
-Prestige.......Hell, no. While St. Louis has had its issues in the national media (namely Ferguson, police shootings, policing, governance, protests, Trump rally and crime) despite these things, however, St. Louis is still more renown. While KC is gaining in "prestige", I certainly wouldn't call KC "more prestigious". Nonetheless, it's a matter of opinion and it also depends on what is being measured. For example, the tech scenes. Both cities still continue to fetch lots of publicity in regards to their technology scenes. But overall prestige? Certainly not, in my opinion.
Not to excuse St. Louis' slow growth rate, but what this doesn't reveal is that the metrics used to calculate "metro" numbers have also constantly shifted since 1970 as well.In the meantime, metro St. Louis was ranked 20th in 2015 with an estimated 2.8 million people and a five-year growth rate of just .86 percent. In 1970, the St. Louis area was the 10th largest with 2.36 million residents.
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One thing KC needs as they hope to up their game is to fix that thing they call an airport.... looks like voters may get the chance to approve a new single terminal plan proposed by the airlines:
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... ugust.html
Also, it's interesting to see that the MO side seems to be cleaning the KS side lately on job growth... the state of Kansas seems to be cratering due to Sinquefield-nomics.
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... ugust.html
Also, it's interesting to see that the MO side seems to be cleaning the KS side lately on job growth... the state of Kansas seems to be cratering due to Sinquefield-nomics.
Back to the KC people bashing St. louis: it blows my mind when I go to KC and get the overwhelming reaction of "ew" when I saw I live in the City of St. Louis.
Haven't they noticed all the St. Louis created media/services/restaurants/tech organizations making their way across the state from St. Louis to KC? To name a few: Mission Taco, Kaldi's, Treehouse Network, Launch Code, ITap, The VItal Voice, Feast Magazine.
KC is on a roll, no doubt, which seems to be only fueling the STL hatred. Oh well, enjoy our stuff!
Haven't they noticed all the St. Louis created media/services/restaurants/tech organizations making their way across the state from St. Louis to KC? To name a few: Mission Taco, Kaldi's, Treehouse Network, Launch Code, ITap, The VItal Voice, Feast Magazine.
KC is on a roll, no doubt, which seems to be only fueling the STL hatred. Oh well, enjoy our stuff!
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This guy at Kansas City Skyscraper City forum has a good gallery of photos of what's going on in their downtown core and Plaza area:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthrea ... 60&page=19
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthrea ... 60&page=19
If I could steal two things away from KC, it would be their Riverboat Museum and their Toy Museum.
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^ I'd steal the Power & Light Tower for a building, streetcar for transportation and Commerce Bancshares for a headquarters
edit... I might prefer the 909 Walnut tower over Power & Light. tough choice. Both are over 400' and now residential. (Power & Light still underway.)
909 Walnut
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edit... I might prefer the 909 Walnut tower over Power & Light. tough choice. Both are over 400' and now residential. (Power & Light still underway.)
909 Walnut
Power & Light
Light II is under construction in KC. Granted the Central Corridor is booming, there are some tired and sorry developers in St. Louis when it comes to new construction in downtown St. Louis - not to mention Bill DeWitt, III and his parking village.
Downtown KC is lifeless - there is just no one walking around at all when I am there. STL at least is a tourist hub in downtown.
KC shot down the single terminal plan. Upgragdes will be made to 2 of the existing 3 terminals (one is closed). These terminals were obsolete just a couple years after they opened in the mid-70's and actually gave birth to TWA's St. Louis hub. TWA, which was headquartered in KC back then, was responsible for the design. TWA intended for the new Kansas City airport to be their domestic hub. In 1979, airline deregulation was implemented and airlines changed the way they operated, turning to a "hub and spoke" system to streamline operations. Unfortunately, the new airport was designed to speed people from their car to their plane, not seamlessly transfer from aircraft to aircraft. TWA, which had strong operations in both St. Louis and Chicago looked to move the hub. Since Chicago was already saturated with both American and United hubbing there, St. Louis became the obvious choice. Mid-Continent International Airport (the original name) set Kansas City back decades in potential growth. TWA would have never set up their hub here without the blunder. While Lambert had non-stop flights to Frankfurt, London and Paris, KC International was over half-empty. This is one big reason KC looks at STL with disdain and a likely reason they speak of "last century" as the period when they "competed" with St. Louis.
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I really feel that Kansas City and St Louis can't be compared. Because in all reality, the only things the cities share is being in Missouri. Both have very different histories. St Louis is growing in different ways compared to Kansas City. Personally, I feel St Louis is more urban and has a 'bigger city' feel to it than KC. The economic output of St Louis still dwarfs KC.
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Timely editorial on state of KC downtown from The Star
Downtown Kansas City’s appeal is growing, though tough challenges remain
The gravitational pull of downtown seems to have finally become so strong that instead of companies fleeing the traditional business center of Kansas City for suburban sites, some are compelled to find a good spot in it...
Yet even downtown’s most ardent backers realize many concerns still must be addressed.
▪ Too little redevelopment has occurred on the east fringes.
▪ Too many dead zones still exist, occupied by empty buildings or half-full surface parking lots....
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edito ... rylink=cpy
Pretty solid piece from my perch from afar... I think KC and STL downtowns have a lot of similarities with some obvious weak zones in need of help and neither have yet hit that critical mass of daytime population to be truly humming. But they do have a tremendous amount of construction activity that I think puts them closer to reaching that next level... unless we get things like Jefferson Arms and Railway Exchange going along with more biz, it's just going to be a slower slog for us.
Downtown Kansas City’s appeal is growing, though tough challenges remain
The gravitational pull of downtown seems to have finally become so strong that instead of companies fleeing the traditional business center of Kansas City for suburban sites, some are compelled to find a good spot in it...
Yet even downtown’s most ardent backers realize many concerns still must be addressed.
▪ Too little redevelopment has occurred on the east fringes.
▪ Too many dead zones still exist, occupied by empty buildings or half-full surface parking lots....
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edito ... rylink=cpy
Pretty solid piece from my perch from afar... I think KC and STL downtowns have a lot of similarities with some obvious weak zones in need of help and neither have yet hit that critical mass of daytime population to be truly humming. But they do have a tremendous amount of construction activity that I think puts them closer to reaching that next level... unless we get things like Jefferson Arms and Railway Exchange going along with more biz, it's just going to be a slower slog for us.
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Also, the 800 room Hyatt skyscraper proposed for Dt Kansas City is dead.
