F15teen - Jim Edmonds bar & club - 1900 Locust Ave.

threeonefour · PostSep 19, 2007#1512007-09-19T15:36+00:00

trent wrote:I disagree with 314 on the t-shirt deal. I have very few graphic tees. But I do own several colored t-shirts that I wear out quite often. I usually buy v-neck from banana republic, and pairing that with a pair of jeans (not the stupid kind with holes all over them) is a very clean and fashionable look.

Now if you're talking about a sports t-shirt, I would agree. But when you get dressed, if you're wearing a blazer, with t-shirt, jeans and dressy shoes, that's a nice look (if you have taste and put it together well).

Sorry...I should've elaborated a bit more. I had a specific mental image in my head but didn't articulate it very well, obviously.

I was referring to the overabundance of graphic tees specifically, not plain t-shirts. I wear collared shirts most of the time, but I do have plain t-shirts and v-necks like those you mentioned, and when they're paired with tasteful pants and footwear, I think it's a rather clean and timeless look overall.

Add a blazer and a dressier pair of shoes, and you'll be better dressed than most of the blokes out there.

amyh1028 · PostSep 19, 2007#1522007-09-19T15:56+00:00

Okay CS, usually I agree with you...and in this particular discussion I even had up until the whole baseball cap issue. As a female and when speaking with other girls in the office, we like the hat backwards. I agree that there are some places where a hat is not acceptable. Say in a fancy restaurant or a church. But in your average bar downtown like the Dubliner or pick almost any other, the baseball hat backwards is hot. I could careless if he is inside at the bar or chillin in the park with me, leave the hat backwards

moorlander · PostSep 19, 2007#1532007-09-19T17:25+00:00

my crystal ball predicts CENTERAL

will now make a crack about Jefferson county.... only time will tell...

I agree amy, I've been known to sport the backwards cap once or twice in my day... TCS, still got any of those polyester pants you used to rock in the 70's?

Expat · PostSep 19, 2007#1542007-09-19T17:51+00:00

Interesting....I didn't realize straight (lame) guys were so obsessed with fashion.

the central scrutinizer · PostSep 19, 2007#1552007-09-19T21:24+00:00

bpe235 wrote:my crystal ball predicts CENTERAL will now make a crack about Jefferson county.... only time will tell...

I agree amy, I've been known to sport the backwards cap once or twice in my day... TCS, still got any of those polyester pants you used to rock in the 70's?

I never owned an article of polyester clothing. I knew back then it looked terrible.

jeff · PostSep 19, 2007#1562007-09-19T22:13+00:00

This morning at work, I saw young lady wearing a simple blouse, beautiful seersucker skirt, and then...no!!! ratty old dirty flip flops. She would have looked so elegant with proper footwear, but alas.

I applaud f15teen for having high standards and I'm with you CS! Sometimes you just want to have a nice night out, and having a dress code can really help create the atmosphere. Pubs and sportsbars should be "come as you are", but there's nothing wrong with a nicer venue having a dress code. Perhaps f15teen has to better advertise about what kind of venue it is. People just assume it's a typical sports bar.

In any event, American standards of dress have declined significantly. A "designer" flip-flop is still a flip-flop. It's appropriate for the beach and the shower. I'm well under 30, and personally never where them out for any other occasion.

As CS alluded, fashion is transient and often nonsensical. In the late 60s it was fashinable to be poorly groomed with bad fitting, ugly clothes. It was in "fashion" for sure, but not stylish by any means. Be careful falling too hard for "fashion".

doug · PostSep 19, 2007#1572007-09-19T23:52+00:00

If Kennedy wore the Fedora perhaps things wouldn't have gotten so bad.

threeonefour · PostSep 20, 2007#1582007-09-20T01:24+00:00

Jeff wrote:In any event, American standards of dress have declined significantly.

On that I think we can all agree, hence the need for dress codes.

bastiat · PostSep 20, 2007#1592007-09-20T02:15+00:00

So, let's talk about how this will affect the area around it instead of fashion...

As pointed out, this is right by Nectar, Pepper Lounge, Panama Reds, and the Schlafly Tap Room. Locust could be turning into a "hip" nightspot. I was at the opening on Saturday and thought it was a really well done space and the continued presence of star professional athletes will only help it succeed.

With the completion of warehouses being turned into lofts and new space for advertising firms, this could be a neat neighborhood, but there are a lot of vacant and parking lots that need infill. It will help a lot that Washington will soon be getting new streetscape a block north (St. Charles Street is basically an alley) so this area won't feel so desolate.

threeonefour · PostSep 20, 2007#1602007-09-20T03:57+00:00

^ Do we have to stop talking about fashion? I think you summed up the new momentum along Locust Street rather well!

Seriously, it looks like Locust Street may be evolving into "the" area for nightlife, whether we're talking about the stretch between 18th and Jefferson, or the stretch just east of SLU along with nearby Olive Street where the pace of progress is just as promising.

jlblues · PostSep 20, 2007#1612007-09-20T07:53+00:00

Jeff wrote:Perhaps f15teen has to better advertise about what kind of venue it is. People just assume it's a typical sports bar.

Well now why would people assume that? Maybe because it takes its name from the jersey number of a professional baseball player? IMNSHO, if Jimmy wanted to open an upscale nightclub that excludes casually dressed Cardinals fans, he should have named it something else.

threeonefour · PostSep 20, 2007#1622007-09-20T15:52+00:00

^ Based on the writeup in St. Louis Magazine, it's all still a bit unclear. Will casually dressed Cardinals fans interested in heading to Fifteen* before or after the game be able to sit on one of the patios, or will they be denied access? I don't think the dress code is a problem as I've stated before, but the potential for inconsistency is a big issue IMHO.

* Sorry, I can't get used to typing F15teen. It looks like F1 Steen, or a British person's attempt at a clever number plate for their car (with no specific personalized license plates available in the UK, letter/number combinations that attempt to spell a name, word, or phrase are popular there). I don't see why Fifteen wasn't good enough, but I'm no marketing genius either.

stlight · PostSep 20, 2007#1632007-09-20T19:05+00:00

^ Do we have to stop talking about fashion? I think you summed up the new momentum along Locust Street rather well!

Seriously, it looks like Locust Street may be evolving into "the" area for nightlife, whether we're talking about the stretch between 18th and Jefferson, or the stretch just east of SLU along with nearby Olive Street where the pace of progress is just as promising.

Yes, I like where you are going with this...maybe folks need a wardrobe...

I can see myself now leaving the stadium after the game - going back to my loft to freshen up (and get dressy) before walking a few blocks to 15 for dinner and a nights out....exactly the reason I purchased downtown for that kind of convenience...cheers,

jcity · PostSep 21, 2007#1642007-09-21T01:19+00:00

if you're wearing a blazer, with t-shirt, jeans and dressy shoes, that's a nice look (if you have taste and put it together well).

wow.. a "dress T"? come on... Steven Segal?

Today's polyester: untucked striped button down, jeans, squared off black shoes and hair gel. someone should write a book on how to NOT dress like a hoosier.

As for the area, I think it's well on it's way. I want to see the infill begin! I think the state or MODOT owns a number of the vacant parcels. Wt.F are they doing with them?

Alex Ihnen · PostSep 21, 2007#1652007-09-21T03:52+00:00

OK - I (kind of) hate to be 'that' guy, but does anyone here know who these guys are?!?!

Grover wrote:I was at F15teen Sunday night a took a couple pics - sorry you can't see more of the place . . . (sorry, I really couldn't resist!)

By the way, as I was leaving some Hoosier Cubs fan was getting irate outside because they wouldn't let him in. He was wearing a jersey and cap.

MattnSTL · PostSep 21, 2007#1662007-09-21T03:58+00:00

I've got a pretty good guess on one of them.

PostSep 21, 2007#1672007-09-21T04:01+00:00

I'll take a guess

Alberto Contador, Levi Leipheimer, and George Hincapie

Alex Ihnen · PostSep 21, 2007#1682007-09-21T04:04+00:00

Bravo - bravo - bravissimo (though I think you may have checked the file names

). These guys were all at F15teen Sunday night - it was the center of the cycling universe for a night!!!

MattnSTL · PostSep 21, 2007#1692007-09-21T04:06+00:00

No comment.

Really cool that they were there.

threeonefour · PostSep 21, 2007#1702007-09-21T04:28+00:00

Okay...I thought I recognized those guys...sort of... #-o

trent · PostSep 21, 2007#1712007-09-21T14:42+00:00

I was gonna guess cyclists. Didn't know names, I don't follow the sport. Though I appreciate it.

JCity,

I think you're getting the wrong idea on the blazer. I'm thinking casual blazer. I've got a couple. One is khaki, it has no shoulder pads, single breasted two button casual sport coat. The other is a navy, with light blue pin stripe...both are a slim cut. Steven Seagal might try the same style, but he's nowhere close, and seems to enjoy baggy clothes (i guess for all those roundhouse kicks or something).

The problem with those guys wearing the striped shirts, jeans and square toed shoes, is that they aren't picked out well. The shirt is usually a two XL, on a guy who's 5'11 175. He's got cheap rubber soles that are 2 inches high, and jeans that are 4 inches too long. If they actually took time to wear clothes that fit, it wouldn't look that bad. Or perhaps, even tried tucking in that XXL shirt...wait, no, that would still look bad.

I have a few stiped shirts, but I'd like to think that I look better in them that these d-bags do.

threeonefour · PostSep 21, 2007#1722007-09-21T18:40+00:00

^ I think one of the most important things overlooked by people when they shop for clothes is proper fit.

I'm 5'11" and weigh just a tad over 175, and I try on almost everything that I buy looking for the right fit. I have a couple of casual blazers, and gasp, I wear striped shirts sometimes, but I like to think I can pull the look off a little better than the average bloke since I try to pay attention to how well the clothes fit me.

You can't pay attention to sizes anymore either. I have M, L, and XL shirts in my closet, yet most if not all of them fit me similarly. OTOH, I have a couple of shirts where I wonder what I was thinking, because the fit is not what I expected. Name brand merchandise can be just as inconsistent as store labels as well. I don't mind shopping, but if I'm really in the mood for new clothes, I usually budget an entire day because I know I'll have to take my time to really find what I want.

BTW, F15teen looks great, can't wait to try it.

markinlondon · PostSep 22, 2007#1732007-09-22T21:41+00:00

Trent, you said it yourself:

What you may think is tasteless may not be to others.

I'll wear what ever I want and don't really care what everyone else thinks. So what if I like my baggy jeans on occasion.

doug · PostSep 24, 2007#1742007-09-24T15:36+00:00

What's wrong with jeans, a striped or solid collared shirt of various material, and black or maybe brown suede shoes? It works and I don't have money for a blazer. Sometimes the pants are too long and torn, and sometimes there are tears at the knees, but I wouldn't wear those pants to a nicer place Downtown. But is there an actual problem with the collared shirt and jeans? That is basically what I wear. I don't rock the GQ on a regular basis.

cwender · PostSep 24, 2007#1752007-09-24T16:17+00:00

http://www.lookatmystripedshirt.com/

F15teen - Jim Edmonds bar & club - 1900 Locust Ave.

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