if we were to wake up tomorrow and the tax be gone, nothing would change
Well, either the police department or the fire department would be gone. That change things?
Well, either the police department or the fire department would be gone. That change things?
publiceye wrote:if we were to wake up tomorrow and the tax be gone, nothing would change
Well, either the police department or the fire department would be gone. That change things?
Um, you do know what I meant, right?
and you all thought I was crazy! LOL
As I said KMOV Channel 4 reported this weeks ago.
It is also in the PD.
Schnucks planned for downtown
St. Louis Business Journal - 5:47 PM CDT Thursday, May 17, 2007by Lisa R. Brown
Schnuck Markets plans to open a grocery store in downtown St. Louis.
The St. Louis-based grocery chain is finalizing plans to open a 20,000-square-foot store on the ground floor of the Ninth Street garage at 9th and Olive early next year.
The store will be an urban concept store much smaller than Schnucks' typical stores, which are about 55,000 square feet. The chain has hired a nationally-based design firm to develop the urban concept store. The development cost for the store is more than $6 million. Proposals are out for financing.
Speculation has centered for months on Schnucks' plans to open a downtown store. The newly constructed Ninth Street Garage was co-developed by The DESCO Group, a real estate development firm headed by Mark Schnuck. The DESCO Group is the developer on all of Schnucks' stores.
Schnucks will be competing for shoppers' dollars with City Grocers, a 6,500-square-foot store across the street. Developer Craig Heller announced plans in 2006 to more the double the size of his City Grocers store at 920 Olive and move the expanded store across the street to the ground floor of the Syndicate building at 915 Olive St., which his company, LoftWorks, and Minneapolis-based Sherman Associates are redeveloping into 102 condos and 70 apartments. City Grocers opened in 2004 and is currently the only grocery store open downtown.
The new Schnucks will also face competition when Gilded Age opens a 35,000-square-foot grocery store on property across the street from its Georgian condominium project that is located on the western edge of the Lafayette Square neighborhood, just south of downtown. Gilded Age principal Chris Goodson said the added competition will be good for business. "It will offer a nice complement," Goodson said about the new Schnucks store.
Gilded Age plans to break ground on a new Walgreens across the street from its Georgian condominiums this August. The City Market will open in summer or fall of 2008, Goodson said.
As I said KMOV Channel 4 reported this weeks ago.
It is also in the PD.
Schnucks planned for downtown
St. Louis Business Journal - 5:47 PM CDT Thursday, May 17, 2007by Lisa R. Brown
Schnuck Markets plans to open a grocery store in downtown St. Louis.
The St. Louis-based grocery chain is finalizing plans to open a 20,000-square-foot store on the ground floor of the Ninth Street garage at 9th and Olive early next year.
The store will be an urban concept store much smaller than Schnucks' typical stores, which are about 55,000 square feet. The chain has hired a nationally-based design firm to develop the urban concept store. The development cost for the store is more than $6 million. Proposals are out for financing.
Speculation has centered for months on Schnucks' plans to open a downtown store. The newly constructed Ninth Street Garage was co-developed by The DESCO Group, a real estate development firm headed by Mark Schnuck. The DESCO Group is the developer on all of Schnucks' stores.
Schnucks will be competing for shoppers' dollars with City Grocers, a 6,500-square-foot store across the street. Developer Craig Heller announced plans in 2006 to more the double the size of his City Grocers store at 920 Olive and move the expanded store across the street to the ground floor of the Syndicate building at 915 Olive St., which his company, LoftWorks, and Minneapolis-based Sherman Associates are redeveloping into 102 condos and 70 apartments. City Grocers opened in 2004 and is currently the only grocery store open downtown.
The new Schnucks will also face competition when Gilded Age opens a 35,000-square-foot grocery store on property across the street from its Georgian condominium project that is located on the western edge of the Lafayette Square neighborhood, just south of downtown. Gilded Age principal Chris Goodson said the added competition will be good for business. "It will offer a nice complement," Goodson said about the new Schnucks store.
Gilded Age plans to break ground on a new Walgreens across the street from its Georgian condominiums this August. The City Market will open in summer or fall of 2008, Goodson said.
- 729
The preverbial question of "where do you buy your groceries?" has just taken on new meaning. Sometimes I go to Schnuck's, sometimes City Grocer's, and maybe sometimes to the market over at The Georgian. Takes me less than 5 minutes to get there. How 'bout you?
Did anyone here about the plans for a new Shnucks to be located downtown at 9th and Olive. I don't know many details other than that it is going to be smaller in size than your typical suburban Schnucks. It'll be 20,000 square feet. I guess City Grocers will have quite a competition next door then.
I think this is great addition to downtown because we really do need a grocery store (well at least have options of where to go grocery shopping here).
Anyways, I heard this on the news but here's a link to an article that just mentions about the plan: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument
If anyone has more information, please do share. What do people think about a Schnucks opening in downtown?
I think this is great addition to downtown because we really do need a grocery store (well at least have options of where to go grocery shopping here).
Anyways, I heard this on the news but here's a link to an article that just mentions about the plan: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument
If anyone has more information, please do share. What do people think about a Schnucks opening in downtown?
- 1,026
I'm all for this but why put it right next to city grocers? there's no free parking there (unless they offer some at the garage somehow) ... why not put a store on south broadway ....
and will this kill city gorcers?
and will this kill city gorcers?
I imagine that their choice has more to do with who the developer is than where they can best serve downtown.
Yes City grocers will die with this schnucks addition to downtown. If they remain in the immediate area of this new schnucks they most likely will not stand a chance. However if they move further away like say the Eli Walker building they might have a good chance of survival. If they choose to stay next door to schnucks I would have to assume that they will fail.
Hopefully City Grocers finds a good place Downtown to move to. It certainly was a bit of a "jack*ss" move on Schnuck's part.
- 687
I for one am very excited about this. City Grocers is nice, but I can't do my grocery shopping there. I usually have to drive to somewhere outside the city to get it done.
Not to mention how great it will be for downtown to have a pharmacy again. I've never used the schnucks pharmacy but I'm sure I'll start now.
And of course for many people not familiar with downtown it will eliminate the first question they always ask, which for some reason is what they seem to judge downtown living by...
Not to mention how great it will be for downtown to have a pharmacy again. I've never used the schnucks pharmacy but I'm sure I'll start now.
And of course for many people not familiar with downtown it will eliminate the first question they always ask, which for some reason is what they seem to judge downtown living by...
My sources say that Craig Heller will back off of his expansion plans for City Grocer and use the space for other retail.
- 622
It certainly was a bit of a "jack*ss" move on Schnuck's part.
I thought we went over this in an earlier thread. Business, not personal. Does anyone know if City Grocers is totally commited to going into Syndicate? Not that they don't deserve the upgraded space, but this has to be scaring the pants off of them.
It certainly was a bit of a "jack*ss" move on Schnuck's part.ChrisInDownTown wrote:
Totally agree. As mentioned previously, hopefully CG can move somewhere East or West of their present location. I know it's business, but it's Bad Business on Schnucks part.
- 11K
... why not put a store on south broadway ....
and will this kill city gorcers?
Because everyone living downtown would have to drive . . . and I don't think this will kill City Grocers at all. I think downtown will support both stores.
Does anyone know how big the Ladue Schnucks is at Lindbergh/Clayton? That store seems to be around 25,000 sq ft
IMO, I think Craig Heller starting City Grocers was a move to help increase his core business... selling/leasing residential space (in essence, a loss-leader and most likely an offset to tax liability).
I think Schnucks moving in and potentially (no, probably) leading to the closing of City Grocers is not a surprise. Most likely, it was part of the plan. If City Grocers moves, expect it to be in VERY close proximity to another LoftWorks development.
With a ton of residential right across the street (not to mention right on top) I imagine that there will be a lot of demand for that space.
I think Schnucks moving in and potentially (no, probably) leading to the closing of City Grocers is not a surprise. Most likely, it was part of the plan. If City Grocers moves, expect it to be in VERY close proximity to another LoftWorks development.
With a ton of residential right across the street (not to mention right on top) I imagine that there will be a lot of demand for that space.
- 11K
IMO, I think Craig Heller starting City Grocers was a move to help increase his core business... selling/leasing residential space (in essence, a loss-leader).
V interesting - I don't know Craig - but it would be a savvy move.
- 687
foodicles wrote:I know it's business, but it's Bad Business on Schnucks part.
Bad business?
It's good business. Why should they have City Grocers interest as part of their business plan? Since it's Desco I'm sure they're getting a deal on the space and it's a great location.
- 6,775
Xing wrote:Hopefully City Grocers finds a good place Downtown to move to. It certainly was a bit of a "jack*ss" move on Schnuck's part.
Why?
buckethead wrote:foodicles wrote:I know it's business, but it's Bad Business on Schnucks part.
Bad business?
It's good business. Why should they have City Grocers interest as part of their business plan? Since it's Desco I'm sure they're getting a deal on the space and it's a great location.
[sarcasm on] Yes, let's stop the Schnucks from opening. Let's petition Mayor Slay to put an end to this tomfoolery. Schnucks should not be allowed to open in downtown.
BTW: if a Best Buy ever opens up downtown, we need to make sure Circuit City never thinks of setting foot in the city.
And once we get a Qdoba. Any attempts at opening a Chipotle should be smashed.
[sarcasm off]
ntbpo wrote:Yes City grocers will die with this schnucks addition to downtown. If they remain in the immediate area of this new schnucks they most likely will not stand a chance.
Unless they are bought by another local grocer who intends to compete head-to-head with Schnucks.
This is indeed a shame for City Grocers. While a large part of the reason that Craig Heller was involved was to make his developments more marketable, CG was a serious venture. They hired good consultants and I think developed a real solid business model for their market.
As a DT resident for many years, I appreciate what they brought to the neighborhood. While I would love it if my fellow DT residents would flock to a larger CG instead of Schnucks, I have little doubt that this would not be the case if they relocated to the Syndicate.
These guys are intrepid and smart - they need to do what they did well in the first place and go to the underserved market. Find a great spot west of Tucker and I'll never set foot in that Schnucks in the Garage Mahal!
As a DT resident for many years, I appreciate what they brought to the neighborhood. While I would love it if my fellow DT residents would flock to a larger CG instead of Schnucks, I have little doubt that this would not be the case if they relocated to the Syndicate.
These guys are intrepid and smart - they need to do what they did well in the first place and go to the underserved market. Find a great spot west of Tucker and I'll never set foot in that Schnucks in the Garage Mahal!
[sarcasm on] Yes, let's stop the Schnucks from opening. Let's petition Mayor Slay to put an end to this tomfoolery. Schnucks should not be allowed to open in downtown.
BTW: if a Best Buy ever opens up downtown, we need to make sure Circuit City never thinks of setting foot in the city.
And once we get a Qdoba. Any attempts at opening a Chipotle should be smashed.
[sarcasm off]
I'm not taking a side on the issue, but this sarcastic bit is a little disingenuous because the problem people have isn't that there are two different grocery stores, but that there are two different grocery stores as close as two grocery stores can get: on the same block, back to back. In addition to this, one was a committed pioneer to the neighborhood and the other has lots of stores and a lot of bank. In short, it's clear that something so important to the formative years of the revival of downtown might be forced out of town. I know that it's just business, but I think if you're going to use sarcasm, address the actual problems people are having and not misrepresent them.