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Northside Neighbor wrote:

Yes, segregation plays a part. However, at same time, the same business of drugs/prostitution/gambling is prevalent in all major cities such as Oakland. But Oakland has a third of the murders so far in 2016 and a violent crime rate less then St. Louis. Go down the bay and it drops in half again in San Jose. I would say Oakland has its fair share of segregation, homelessness and very tough neighborhoods to pretty well to do hillside neighborhoods.

Off the top of my head, I would bet that STL is maybe 2X as poverty stricken as Oakland and San Jose. Oakland is rapidly gentrifying. Formerly rough areas are being transformed by young affluent people buying homes and changing the demographics of the neighborhoods.

A better comparison would be Richmond, CA v. StL.

Picked Oakland in terms of size, significant downtown/center variation in wealth as well as having major institutions & event venues or professional teams while still having neighborhoods like West Oakland or Fruitvale where people are trying to make ends meet while dealing with the crime, drugs and violence much like St. Louis as. Oakland believe has about 70,000 or 80,000 more residents at 400,000. The big difference is Oakland is going through a pretty significant gentrification and rents rising that makes CWE/Cortex success look like a drop in the bucket.

Richmond at 107,000 is a third the size of St Louis but really doesn't have some of the same dynamics of. A big part of Richmond is essentially a bedroom community for the Bay Area and sometimes people would be surprised to know that they are actually in Richmond city limits itself.

God, I don't know why I get sucked into these crime threads? I hate the topic. Nothing ever gets resolved. Everyone is data obsessed. All the discussions are racially charged. It really is depressing.

Buy your kids music lessons. Get a dog. Don't walk around alone late at night. Avoid vice. Go to church. Volunteer. Do something positive!

What leads to people tearing up the garden on multiple occasions?

KSDK - Alderwoman hoping crowd-funding will help save garden

Residents of the Clinton-Peabody neighborhood have built the garden over the past few years — providing fresh fruits and vegetables for families there. But over the past few months vandals have ripped up plants and torn down parts of the garden — discouraging volunteers who have continued to replant what is lost.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/alderwom ... /264978195

Another baffler

KMOX - North St. Louis Church Damaged By Arson, Racist Graffiti

A north St. Louis church suffered an estimated $200,000 in damage after someone set it on fire and spray-painted graffiti on it early Tuesday morning.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/ ... -graffiti/

What leads to people tearing up the garden on multiple occasions?

Anti-social behavior. Next question?

Wow. What is wrong with you people?? EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL. Shanksalot, some of your posts are antagonistic. And everyone else freaking out and trying to invalidate his points by shouting "racist!" isn't doing anything helpful. Why don't we have a civilized discussion? Good grief.


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Northside Neighbor wrote:Can we talk about ISIS? Does anyone else think all the tough talk about ISIS is just a big show? How can you stop someone who wants to kill themselves on a suicide mission? It's an insane death cult. There is no way to "stop" it. They have to change their own psychology.

Sadly, I think instead this is simply the new normal. ISIS inspired suicide attacks will continue and there's practically nothing anyone can do about. Just pray you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time.

All the tough talk on Fox News is just plan b.s. The Bill O'Reillys and Sean Hannitys of the world have no better "plan" to stop ISIS than do the Hillary Clintons or Barack Obamas.

Speaking of Isis. Check out this comment by MF on the STL American Facebook page under a post about officer involved shootings

Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regress into barbarism
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^ 60s were much worse imo.... we just have more bloviating today with cable and social media that weren't around then.

"- property crime is down significantly"
"- downtown and downtown west violent crime is down considerably"

How much?

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STLrainbow wrote:^ 60s were much worse imo.... we just have more bloviating today with cable and social media that weren't around then.

I can't really speak for the 60's but in IMO today's violence is so much more in line with 80's crack cocaine problems. I think the violence is very brutal and sometimes very public as some of the recent shootings. However, most the violence seems very much intentional and premeditated between individuals who know or have knowledge of each other one way or another whether it be drugs, or robbing someone over drug trade, or a payback or turf war, etc. nor does the violence seem to care discriminate whether male or female is involved or in the car, so on. Yes, some random headline grabbing violence but don't believe those numbers have changed for the worse.

Personally I really don't feel unsafe whether I'm back in St. Louis or hanging out in Oakland/Richmond. Certainly don't feel like its a civil war out there. Nor do I really put myself in a bad situation for which violence is very real & much more dangerous. In other words, I'm boring and got myself down to one vice which is coffee...

The suspect in today's shooting of the Ballwin Police officer:

"had a weapons violation out of St. Louis, for which he was put on probation. he was given probation for a stolen vehicle charge in Oklahoma in 2011. He was picked up as a felon in possession of a firearm in California and paroled in March 2015. His name will be released once warrants are issued, police said".

One has to wonder when Twitter and whoever is charge will be dragged into court on accessories to murder/crimes. It's the new cave for Muslims, the new hills for the KKK.

STLrainbow wrote:^ violent crime is down 25% in downtown and 22% in downtown west. I did misread the citywide property crime drop when I posted; it is down 3.4%

http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_201306.pdf

Those stats are from 2013

Actual June crime numbers: http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_201606.pdf

Not bad, mostly declines across the board (except for a massive spike in rape) and nearly a third fewer people were murdered in June 2016 than in June 2015. Crime was way, way down in Downtown and Downtown West and modestly down in the Central West end despite all the media attention towards crimes committed in these areas.

quincunx wrote:

STLrainbow wrote:^ violent crime is down 25% in downtown and 22% in downtown west. I did misread the citywide property crime drop when I posted; it is down 3.4%

http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_201306.pdf

Those stats are from 2013

I had a stern talking to with my fact checker.

so for this year violent crime is down 21% in downtown and 9% in downtown west. Citywide property crime has dropped 11%.

KMOX - Police: Robbers Use Pokemon Go App to Find Victims

Shane Michael Backer, 18, of Wentzville, Brett William Miller, 17, of St. Peters and Jamine James D. Warner, 18 of O’Fallon have been charged by the St. Charles County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office. The fourth suspected is only 16 and will be charged as a minor, police say.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/07/10/ ... d-victims/

dredger wrote: But I do think St. Louis police really have to think in terms of what Oakland & San Jose is doing if they are not trying already.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts ... akland-see

Holy crap, according to this short article, Saint Louis (with 87 homicides through June) has as many homicides as Oakland, San Francisco and San Jose combined:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/0 ... o-oakland/