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I assume they'll move to "See, this is why we need more money." and since the average American is as gullible as a food obsessed schnauzer, it'll be fine.  

Ragtimer wrote:What if corrupt police departments purposely operated poorly and let criminals "get away" so that they could leverage the artificially high crime rates to get more funding, which is then spent on the top guys' special interests?
I'm not saying that's happening in SLMPD, just something that occurred to me while reading this thread. Also, for the record, I do support police but just wonder if this type of corruption exists in any departments.

No. The problem has far more to do with the fact police, especially the younger they are, do not get paid a meaningfully competitive salary compared to other career-based professional jobs.

In St. Louis' case, not only is the salary fairly low for a pretty rigorous job, but the fact it's nationally seen as a rigorous position where they get tons of experience makes them more attractive to other departments or security jobs. Why go another 15 years as a cop in STL when you can get a higher salary as the head of security at a high school? Stuff like that. So as a result, those that stay around for a long time are either in it because they feel a greater calling than just money or this is the best job they can get.

On top of that, STL doesn't require any college education and no PD in the US requires education in the field police actually work in, they insist the academy covers it when it actually doesn't. For comparison, in Germany, police are required to get a 4 year "policing" degree while in some parts of the US, you can technically become a cop at 18.

The problems with inept law enforcement is a real issue and it's not a nefarious conspiracy or anything.

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Three stabbed overnight at abandoned school at 15th and Carr.

https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/07/30/ ... th-street/

Carr School. An actual architectural gem

You know who has owned the parcel

It’s these type of properties and stories that make me sick for our city, and make me lose hope


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Does the City have an recourse at this point to prevent SLMPD from implementing a massive flock and drone program?

I guess flock would need BPS approval.

Flock Cameras Got the Wrong License Plate 71% of the Time
https://gizmodo.com/flock-cameras-got-the-wrong-license-plate-71-of-the-time-in-california-city-2000793483

Homicides after July; 73, down 25% vs 5 year average 

2021: 109 
2022: 102 
2023: 96 
2024: 99 
2025: 81 

All other crime data through July 2026 will be out August 5. I expect violent crime to continue its downward trend and be at a 60 year low in total & population adjusted

I would not be surprised in 10 years if its 50 or less. Thinking due to how a large percentage of violent crime is committed by a very small percentage of the population in the hundreds. It would be hard to imagine that number not fall by a sizable number over time as the current group gets older and fall out of the group one way or another and fewer enter said group in part due to birthrates. Since isn't the birthrate fall cohort just entering their teen years? So a lot of the crime drop may not have happened yet.

Demographics of crime, population trends in the city, and thousands of AI innovations of unregulated surveillance technology… yes. I agree.

Violent crime in down 10% vs last year through July and on pace for the lowest total since the 1960s and 70s adjusted to population
Violent crime is; homicides, rape, robbery and aggravated assault (make up nearly 75% of violent crime)
Rest of the crime data later in the week.
Source: slmpd monthly crime reports

The tragedies never end in the community.

https://fox2now.com/news/illinois/famil ... -as-adult/