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whitherSTL wrote: ↑

2:44 PM - Today

“After-hours crowd”….

Is it wrong to assume you have an issue with me pointing out the fact that crowds at 7 PM are different than crowds after midnight into the early morning? If so, you have not paid attention to the fact that many a bad thing has happened downtown in the early hours of the morning. Also, if you are jumping to the conclusion that the comment had a racial aspect, you are incorrect in your assumption. 

If I am jumping to conclusions, I apologize!

I’m not the blame the state guy on everything…

But we have too many carrying issues. The city can enforce to an extent but can only do so much when you can live in the county and have a firearm rather easily. Lots of these late night crowd instances that happen are people with legal firearms, just conceal carrying illegally because they are in the city

It is never good for the headline to have something like this happen around an event. The initial reports may have exaggerated how close it was to the stadium but we can’t really afford to have this happen anytime, anywhere downtown, understanding the country we live in, it could never be zero forever but instances like this do a lot of harm

We need to have downtown on lock this weekend for the 4th. We have a great event that should be awesome

It does suck that every time we are about to have a massive event downtown it seems that something happens right before that will scare off 25% of the crowd


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Not trying to minimize what happened too close to Energizer Park for comfort ast night but if you Google "Shooting near Stadium" you come up with quite a few similar stories that occurred near college football stadiums, a high school track meet, etc.

Thats the old plaza square area Who owns those buildings,  is it still a Tampa FL company? Just curious

Honestly I’m more worried about the seemingly endless dog attacks in Tower Grove area. I’m not sure why residents aren’t demanding answers from the City. I won’t be visiting the area until that ends.

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3:27 PM - Today

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

3:24 PM - Today

Not trying to minimize what happened too close to Energizer Park for comfort ast night but if you Google "Shooting near Stadium" you come up with quite a few similar stories that occurred near college football stadiums, a high school track meet, etc.

This is what I was going to say... this is an "article model" that the news stations know works to get clicks... 

Place many people feel safe being + Shooting nearby = clicks/revenue

Completely agree. The news makes it sound a thousand times worse. However, the videos of kids ducking under seats at Energizer Park is just sad. 

Based upon the amount of shell casings on the street, that was a powerful weapon being fired. That had to be loud AF. I would not want to be down there with the kids. While I do not want this to ever happen, if it did have to happen, at least it wasn't a City game or Olympic game with a sold out crowd. 

I was downtown with my kids on the 4th a few years ago. I don't get rattled easily, but the chaos, fireworks shooting over my car at stoplights, traffic gridlock, the endless number of teens running around had my head on a swivel. My kids were super-scared. I hope the PD has a solid plan to contain this, as I expect big crowds for this weekend's shows. I am hoping for a fun & uneventful (with regards to crime) 4th. 

gone corporate wrote: ↑

4:19 PM - Today

^The Celebrate STL Fourth of July parade and weekend event on the Arch Grounds will have a ridiculously strong and conspicuous combined security presence. 

Great to hear! This event is great & SHOULD go on without major issues. 

That makes me happy.

A shooting near a minor league soccer game will have a greater negative affect on St. Louis than an international fan being the victim of a drive by shooting in KC.

Also always a good reminder that Indianapolis has like yearly mass shootings downtown that literally no one talks about. 2 women were just murdered a block away from Monument Circle. It will have no affect on the city ofcourse.

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StlAlex wrote:A shooting near a minor league soccer game will have a greater negative affect on St. Louis than an international fan being the victim of a drive by shooting in KC.

Also always a good reminder that Indianapolis has like yearly mass shootings downtown that literally no one talks about. 2 women were just murdered a block away from Monument Circle. It will have no affect on the city ofcourse.

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To be fair, it is our own people’s fault

More and more, I realize we have sunk into and manifested an appearance of our downtown and region, more than anyone else projects on it

The surveys that come out to purport some objective metric about downtown or the region that looks really negative is really just a survey of our own metro’s residents and how they view such topics, which come out more negatively than other metros

Sure, there are residents in other metros that experience this on different levels. There are a few that I think do compare as negatively as St. Louis, but we certainly stand out near the top

And it is showing up in our sporting event attendance numbers downtown, corporate office decisions, new development, etc

I agree, as a transplant, that the hyper focus put in these type of negative events and the effect it has on people’s spending of their time and money is larger or at least as large as anywhere I’ve been or lived




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