Crime Thread

zink · PostJul 30, 2015#56262015-07-30T16:44+00:00

Mound City wrote:Imagine thinking that cop was justified in executing Mr. Dubose.

If you asked that question, I would say No, no he wasnt. Very few times a death can be fully justified.

If I was asked as a jury to find him guilty of any crime. I would have to say no. The cop did not force the driver to try and get away with the cop half way in the car. If the cop was a couple steps away from the vehicle and saw the car starting to take off and THEN started shooting with no obvious risk to himself, I would have a high probability to find him guilty. But the video shows he was in the action.

Northside Neighbor · PostJul 30, 2015#56272015-07-30T17:05+00:00

He will not be found guilty: He could have gotten ran over, he could have been afraid maybe the driver had a gun hidden, I mean who the F* would not have been scared for their life after what is a simple traffic stop the guy tries to bolt off with a cop with a cop in their window. What else would they be willing to do.

I call "b.s."

By this logic, nearly any cop shooting can be justified. "He feared for his life". That's pure b.s.

It's plain in the video he was in absolutely no danger.

Sure, he say he feared for his life. Anyone can say that. But being cop gives you license to kill. Pure, unadulterated b.s.

zink · PostJul 30, 2015#56282015-07-30T17:21+00:00

Northside Neighbor wrote:
By this logic, nearly any cop shooting can be justified. "He feared for his life". That's pure b.s.

What do you mean? I just gave you the example. If he was 2 or 3 steps away from the car and did that, i would find him guilty. But he was basically in the car when it occurred.

Northside Neighbor · PostJul 30, 2015#56292015-07-30T17:29+00:00

The video clearly shows the officer was backing away from the car when he fired the weapon. He was in no danger of being dragged or run over.

His story doesn't hold water. It's full of holes.

pat · PostJul 30, 2015#56302015-07-30T18:11+00:00

He will not be found guilty: He could have gotten ran over, he could have been afraid maybe the driver had a gun hidden, I mean who the F* would not have been scared for their life after what is a simple traffic stop the guy tries to bolt off with a cop with a cop in their window. What else would they be willing to do.

If you don't want to get dragged by a car or run over by it, let go of the car or step away from it. Shooting the driver in the head clearly didn't stop the vehicle from moving. If you are afraid of the driver having a gun, you ask him to show his hands and keep them in the air. You don't reach into the vehicle or try to open the door without asking permission or letting the driver know you are going to do that.

This guy got killed for not showing a license. A freaking license. If a guy not showing a license ends up with a shot to the head, clearly the officer did everything wrong to calm the situation. The cop needs to be punished.

MarkHaversham · PostJul 30, 2015#56312015-07-30T18:35+00:00

One would think that training on how to deal with drive-offs would be handled in the first day of traffic stop class.

roger wyoming II · PostJul 30, 2015#56322015-07-30T18:51+00:00

Interesting, but not surprising, to see how KMOV CH4 & KSDK CH5 described the location of a robbery and shooting this morning of a corrections officer at North Broadway & Mullanphy (by the new Bissinger's facility in the Near North Riverfront neighborhood).... for Channel 5 the incident happened near the Stan Span; for Channel 4 it happened near downtown.

dbInSouthCity · PostJul 30, 2015#56332015-07-30T20:04+00:00

Kansas City Metro beats us again....this time as the most dangerous metro in Missouri

http://www.ewgateway.org/pdffiles/libra ... -Crime.pdf

roger wyoming II · PostJul 30, 2015#56342015-07-30T20:36+00:00

^ Interesting data there.... it confirms that KC & STL both have been on the upper tier of most violent metros in the nation. Also, I'm pretty sure our metro homicide rate is above KC's now as ours has jumped and there's has fallen in the past few years. For whatever reason, it seems we've less property crimes that average.

EDIT.... I also wonder if all our little burgs helps us in the metro .... do places like Welston, etc. report their property crimes to the FBI?

PostJul 30, 2015#56352015-07-30T20:47+00:00

^ Salt Lake City's very high property crime/very low homicide rate is amazing.

rbb · PostJul 31, 2015#56362015-07-31T17:56+00:00

Video of Sam DuBose's Death Drastically Different From the Police Report

According to the prosecution—and this squares with the video evidence—the car didn’t start moving until after Tensing fired the fatal shot.

“It is our belief that he was not dragged. If you slow down this tape you see what happens, it is a very slow period of time from when the car starts rolling to when a gun is out and he’s shot in the head,” Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said Wednesday.

-RBB

arch city · PostJul 31, 2015#56372015-07-31T22:57+00:00

A lot of cops are loons, crazies, racists and criminals. It's amazing to me how cops are automatically given the benefit of the doubt - even when caught on camera - abusing their power and killing people, but people are not so understanding when it comes to alleged criminals and ordinary citizens who are abused by rogue, racist, power hungry, trigger-happy cops.

For a lot of people, whatever a cop says is truth.

From Local Leaks:

NAME RELEASED OF ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICER WHO SHOT 16-YEAR-OLD BRANDON CLAXTON!
Written By: Meko Haze 7-29-2015

Today DailyHaze received a press release from Local Leaks. The release claims to be the name of the officer who shot and paralyzed 16-year-old Brandon Claxton.

On July 11, St. Louis Police were called out to investigate the possible possession of a stolen weapon. Claxton was one of the suspects in the crime. When police approached the teenager, Claxton ran. From the point of Claxton running, the story gets very suspicious.

Officers claim that Claxton pulled out a gun while running and pointed it at them. Officers fired four shots, which ended up severely injuring the teenager.

Witnesses claim that they never saw a gun. A gun was retrieved from the scene, but witnesses are sticking by not seeing the gun until after the shooting.

Police refuse to let the boy’s mother see her son, as the investigation is ongoing.

The following is the release sent to us from Local Leaks.

“LocalLeaks has received a disclosure from a reliable source that pertains to the identity of the SLMPD officer who shot 16 year old Brandon Claxton in St. Louis, Missouri. After a careful review of the information disclosed to us, as well as deep research into the officer named in the leak – LocalLeaks has decided to publish this data. We have an incredibly high degree of confidence that this release is accurate information.

The name and ID number of the SLMPD Officer who shot and maimed Brandon Claxton is Michael Cohen of District 5 – DSN # 8093 a 2004 graduate of St. Louis University High.

The disclosure that contained this information included the following observations and information from a close personal associate of Officer Michael Cohen:

“He has previously been let off the hook by the STLPD for causing an accident while driving under the influence, injuring himself. I have also personally heard him refer to black residents of St. Louis as cockroaches, heard him brag about shooting dogs while on duty, and joke about fellow officers shooting black St. Louisans.”

Additional information on Officer Michael Cohen was uncovered by our analysts:

“St. Louis Metro PD has “scrubbed” certain posts containing him from social media. His Twitter account has been suspended. I have found remnants of ‘anti-ferguson’ convos containing his twitter handle. Side note: His 3rd dist commander (Mike Deeba) is racist, and crooked. He has been on our radar for some time because he is business partners with Brian Rossomanno at
Tac311.”

Source

shimmy · PostAug 01, 2015#56382015-08-01T13:04+00:00

arch city wrote:A lot of cops are loons, crazies, racists and criminals. It's amazing to me how cops are automatically given the benefit of the doubt - even when caught on camera - abusing their power and killing people, but people are not so understanding when it comes to alleged criminals and ordinary citizens who are abused by rogue, racist, power hungry, trigger-happy cops.

For a lot of people, whatever a cop says is truth.

This is true. The problem comes when the narrative of "cops out of control" is the narrative that gets applied to every case. Every case of a police shooting is a separate incident and should be treated as such. Lumping them all together politicizes the issue and does more harm than good when, for example, Michael Brown is mentioned alongside Eric Garner. Hell, here in Newport News the ongoing story is people are crying for justice for a man who was shot by police after he pointed a sawed-off shotgun at them. This causes people who are weary of the police issue to simply tune out of the conversation or fight back because of so many ridiculous assertions, and this takes away from the actual cases of police abuse.

hebeters2 · PostAug 03, 2015#56392015-08-03T01:09+00:00

How a rich entrepreneur persuaded the city to let him create his own high-tech police force.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/magaz ... .html?_r=0

ttricamo · PostAug 03, 2015#56402015-08-03T10:38+00:00

^ a version of this happens in our city, too.

hebeters2 · PostAug 04, 2015#56412015-08-04T21:38+00:00

http://cs.astronomy.com/asy/b/astronomy ... -dark.aspx

jcity · PostAug 10, 2015#56422015-08-10T17:45+00:00

St. Louisans feel 14th safest out of top 50 metro areas in the country when asked if they feel safe walking at home at night. this is a metro-wide study for cities across the US, not just the urban or city-centers. So, this includes the suburbs in addition to the city here.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/161648/minne ... afe.aspx#2

threeonefour · PostAug 10, 2015#56432015-08-10T18:52+00:00

There's the kind of study that a lot of people want, as it reflect the metro area as a whole and masks the realities of city living to an extent in my opinion. This makes St. Louis look better of course, which is good in a way, but it doesn't change the reality within city limits or in parts of North County. Of course, if you live in Kirkwood or Clayton, you probably feel pretty safe walking alone at night. North St. Louis, parts of North County, or the South Side state streets? Not so much.

Northside Neighbor · PostAug 10, 2015#56442015-08-10T20:54+00:00

Of course, if you live in Kirkwood or Clayton, you probably feel pretty safe walking alone at night. North St. Louis, parts of North County, or the South Side state streets? Not so much.

Which is exactly why I think the never ending obsession with crime and crime reporting is so tiresome.

downtown2007 · PostAug 12, 2015#56452015-08-12T14:56+00:00

Another band hit....

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime- ... touch=true

shimmy · PostAug 18, 2015#56462015-08-18T14:04+00:00

Tuskegee Airman robbed twice:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 6bac0.html

Seriously. What the ****.

St.Louis1764 · PostAug 19, 2015#56472015-08-19T20:03+00:00

Yeah where are the protesters located protesting for this senseless act of crime towards a veteran who should be well respected instead they're Downtown protesting for a death of a thug! It tells you where peoples priorities really are. More serious note a 9 yr old girl loses her life while in bed in Ferguson but yet people/protesters remain silent like her life doesn't or didn't matter yet police shoot & kill a known criminal but people want to go out & protest?? People in this community simply have no direction

Northside Neighbor · PostAug 19, 2015#56482015-08-19T20:28+00:00

You've got to feel bad for the people on the Ferguson Commission and others trying to help make things better.

MarkHaversham · PostAug 19, 2015#56492015-08-19T20:35+00:00

St.Louis1764 wrote:Yeah where are the protesters located protesting for this senseless act of crime towards a veteran who should be well respected instead they're Downtown protesting for a death of a thug! It tells you where peoples priorities really are. More serious note a 9 yr old girl loses her life while in bed in Ferguson but yet people/protesters remain silent like her life doesn't or didn't matter yet police shoot & kill a known criminal but people want to go out & protest?? People in this community simply have no direction

I don't think protesting an injustice imparts a moral obligation to protest every other injustice exactly as vociferously, and I don't think not protesting all injustices equally implies anything like a lack of credibility, even if we assume those injustices are all intrinsically equal to begin with.

framer · PostAug 20, 2015#56502015-08-20T02:23+00:00

St.Louis1764 wrote:Yeah where are the protesters located protesting for this senseless act of crime towards a veteran who should be well respected instead they're Downtown protesting for a death of a thug!

Here's an article about an anti-crime protest which occurred this past Saturday. Several hundred people marched down North Grand:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 318c0.html

But yeah, of course I get your point.

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