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PostJul 23, 2015#5601

^One study of Millennials, which you have not posted, is only one perspective from one study.

Therefore, it's not the be-all and end-all.

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PostJul 23, 2015#5602

I've seen a lot of studies supporting the idea that millennials are basically the same as their parents in many ways, and the biggest difference is demographics. I.e., white millennials are just as conservative as white baby boomers, but white millennials aren't the overwhelming majority force that white baby boomers were.

Having said that, I've also seen studies supporting the idea that millennials impacted by the recession will forever be more progressive as a result.

Or as The Atlantic said, we can just agree that "Millennials political views don't make any sense".
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ys/374427/

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PostJul 24, 2015#5603

leeharveyawesome wrote:
gary kreie wrote:Just saw this video of a drone with a hand gun on it created by an 18 year old and a professor.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/gun-drone-connecticut/


I've already created a mobile app that anonymously intercepts and takes control of gun-toting drones. It's the perfect crime. The cops won't be able to pin a murder rap on you. Not that anyone needs any help getting away with murder in St. Louis but still very useful.
I am going to create an app that let's us better manage our daily mass shooting news.

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PostJul 24, 2015#5604

gary kreie wrote:I am going to create an app that let's us better manage our daily mass shooting news.
Is there a bingo card for all things we're going to here in the aftermath?

-Media gives the shooter's name
-Media gives shooter's biography
-Media never mentions the victim's names
-Media never mentions the victim's biographies
-NRA says he could have been stopped if everyone had a gun
-NRA says this is a mental health issue
-Left makes some useless emotional appeal (if 20 dead children didn't move the needle, nothing will)
-Mention of the 1970s Supreme Court that made the Second Amendment apply to individuals
-Black on Black crime pointed out as a bigger problem and therefore justifies the need for more and more private citizens owning handguns
-Owning handguns is necessary to protect oneself against other private citizens owning handguns
-Owning handguns is also somehow necessary to protect against Federal Government Agents owning handguns
-Owning handguns is necessary to protect oneself against stolen Federal Government Agents handguns by immigrants
-Policing is made harder because so many private citizens own handguns


BINGO!

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PostJul 24, 2015#5605

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gary kreie wrote:I am going to create an app that let's us better manage our daily mass shooting news.
Is there a bingo card for all things we're going to here in the aftermath?

-Media gives the shooter's name
-Media gives shooter's biography
-Media never mentions the victim's names
-Media never mentions the victim's biographies
-NRA says he could have been stopped if everyone had a gun
-NRA says this is a mental health issue
-Left makes some useless emotional appeal (if 20 dead children didn't move the needle, nothing will)
-Mention of the 1970s Supreme Court that made the Second Amendment apply to individuals
-Black on Black crime pointed out as a bigger problem and therefore justifies the need for more and more private citizens owning handguns
-Owning handguns is necessary to protect oneself against other private citizens owning handguns
-Owning handguns is also somehow necessary to protect against Federal Government Agents owning handguns
-Owning handguns is necessary to protect oneself against stolen Federal Government Agents handguns by immigrants
-Policing is made harder because so many private citizens own handguns


BINGO!
Calls for shooter's race/religion to publicly denounce the actions of the shooter, decry corrosive culture of which shooter is a member (skip if shooter is white)

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PostJul 24, 2015#5606

MarkHaversham wrote:Calls for shooter's race/religion to publicly denounce the actions of the shooter, decry corrosive culture of which shooter is a member (skip if shooter is white)
Free Space: YOU'RE POLITICIZING A TRAGEDY!

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PostJul 24, 2015#5607

gary kreie wrote:I am going to create an app that let's us better manage our daily mass shooting news.
Have you seen the movie "Pacific Rim" where they have the giant clock in the control room counting the time since the last monster attack? Pretty much same thing.

PostJul 24, 2015#5608

ajwillikers wrote:
MarkHaversham wrote:Calls for shooter's race/religion to publicly denounce the actions of the shooter, decry corrosive culture of which shooter is a member (skip if shooter is white)
Free Space: YOU'RE POLITICIZING A TRAGEDY!
While passions are running high, now is not the time to make rash decisions about gun control. [/sarcasm]

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PostJul 24, 2015#5609

dweebe wrote:
gary kreie wrote:I am going to create an app that let's us better manage our daily mass shooting news.
Have you seen the movie "Pacific Rim" where they have the giant clock in the control room counting the time since the last monster attack? Pretty much same thing.
Probably more like the clock in Battlestar Galactica counting down to when the Cylons show up every 33 minutes.

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PostJul 24, 2015#5610

MarkHaversham wrote:Probably more like the clock in Battlestar Galactica counting down to when the Cylons show up every 33 minutes.


Jaykay. Jaykay.

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PostJul 25, 2015#5611

I'm just tired of crime enough already! Can Saint.Louis go a month without any bloodshed? I doubt but if so that be a miracle & a step in the right direction.

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PostJul 28, 2015#5612



50% of all violent crime happens on just 5% of the city street blocks.

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PostJul 28, 2015#5613

I've heard the license plate "reading" camera's have been actively catching criminals with warrants etc. downtown. Hahaha. now these idiots are learning to avoid Downtown which is GREAT news! :lol:

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PostJul 29, 2015#5614

Interesting times right now.

With the current spike in murders, elected officials are making various pitches about plans for reducing crime.

Antonio French makes his regular calls on the Mayor to come up with a plan.

Mayor Slay creates a public safety portal on the city's website showing a litany of programs aimed at reducing crime.

Megan Green posts her own framework for a crime reduction strategy.

Will we get to a place where the city has one clear plan? Or do we already have it with the Mayor's public safety portal?

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PostJul 29, 2015#5615

Northside Neighbor wrote:Interesting times right now.


It's all trying to treat symptoms and not causes. I firmly believe the drug trade is behind a lot of these murders, but no one ever talks about that. If there were a lot of respiratory problems coming from an illegal tire fire, saying we need to treat the respiratory illnesses is ignoring the cause. Hmmm...

Common Commentary on Drug Violence (A Call and Response Parody)

-There sure seems to be a lot of respiratory problems in small area near that illegal tire fire.
-It is up to the people of that neighborhood to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and fix their respiratory problems themselves

-It'd sure be nice if people from the county quit dumping more tires onto the tire fire.
-The people dumping the tires on the fire are the victims! Do you know how many people in the county have too many tires and then die?

-It seems to me, when there were small tire fires before 1965 the city, which was more than double the size it currently is, had a vested interested in putting out the tire fires happening in all neighborhoods.
-That's EXACTLY why people moved out to the suburbs. To raise their families away from tire fires.

-Maybe we should stop outlawing tire fires and have a regulated market for tire disposal. Then there'd be less tire fires started because there'd be no profit incentive from an illegal tire fire market.
-How can you even think that? Legal tire disposal? Don't you know how addictive tire disposal is from T.A.R.E.? It's immoral and exactly what's wrong with this country!

-But there's always been demand for tire disposal. It worked in the 1930s when we ended the prohibition on glass recycling, and then gangsters stopped killing each other over glass bottles.
-That was different. People can use glass bottles responsibly. Tire fires are the city's problem.

-But trying to put out these tire fires is costing Billions of Dollars and many deaths nationwide. Have you not heard about the tire disposal cartels in Mexico?
-Donald Trump 2016!

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PostJul 29, 2015#5616

It's all trying to treat symptoms and not causes. I firmly believe the drug trade is behind a lot of these murders, but no one ever talks about that. If there were a lot of respiratory problems coming from an illegal tire fire, saying we need to treat the respiratory illnesses is ignoring the cause. Hmmm...
Have you seen this:


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PostJul 29, 2015#5617

Northside Neighbor wrote:
It's all trying to treat symptoms and not causes. I firmly believe the drug trade is behind a lot of these murders, but no one ever talks about that. If there were a lot of respiratory problems coming from an illegal tire fire, saying we need to treat the respiratory illnesses is ignoring the cause. Hmmm...
Have you seen this:

Thank you for sharing. And I will admit that I did not google the latter two on that list. I have grown tired of the news marketing of #EndViolenceSTL reinforcing the "personal responsibility" false narrative, but such is the restricting choice vs restricting outcomes view.

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PostJul 30, 2015#5618

ajwillikers wrote: I have grown tired of the news marketing of #EndViolenceSTL reinforcing the "personal responsibility" false narrative
Personal responsibility is a false narrative? Seriously?

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PostJul 30, 2015#5619

Wow. I just watched the disturbing video of the Cincinnati police officer senselessly shooting and killing the black man in a routine traffic stop. After viewing that video, I think I am beginning to understand the root cause of these police shootings - power.

At the start of the video, the officer approaches the car and is speaking in that sort of paternalistic, sarcastic, "friendly" tone so often deployed by police officers. He's asking for the driver's license. The man doesn't produce it. From there the situation quickly escalates out of the control. For the cop, this is problematic. They are trained to always be "in control".

The driver slowly starts to pull away. The cop doesn't know what to do. So he pulls out his gun and shoots the man in the head.

Power gone insane. That's the problem with some of our police officers.

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PostJul 30, 2015#5620

Northside Neighbor wrote:Wow. I just watched the disturbing video of the Cincinnati police officer senselessly shooting and killing the black man in a routine traffic stop. After viewing that video, I think I am beginning to understand the root cause of these police shootings - power.

At the start of the video, the officer approaches the car and is speaking in that sort of paternalistic, sarcastic, "friendly" tone so often deployed by police officers. He's asking for the driver's license. The man doesn't produce it. From there the situation quickly escalates out of the control. For the cop, this is problematic. They are trained to always be "in control".

The driver slowly starts to pull away. The cop doesn't know what to do. So he pulls out his gun and shoots the man in the head.

Power gone insane. That's the problem with some of our police officers.
I thought it wasn't until the guy was shot that his body fell on the gas pedal and the car started pulling away?

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PostJul 30, 2015#5621

The way I understand it - and this may be incorrect - the sequence of events goes like this:

The officer approaches the stopped car, asking the driver to produce his license.

The driver fails to do so.

The cop then continues his questioning, telling the driver he's just trying to determine whether the driver is driving with an expired license.

Sensing a problem/possible arrest, the driver starts to turn away, ignoring the police officer.

The officer reaches into the car window, putting his hand on the side of the door, near the driver's shoulder.

The driver leans away from the officer, maybe trying to roll up the window, and then during this time, begins to slowly drive off, maybe 1 mph.

The cop panics, pulls out his weapon, yells at the driver to stop, then fires into the car.

After he's shot, the driver's foot presses further on the accelerator, driving a short distance until it comes to a stop on the sidewalk.

The cops (three of them), then all prepare and sign a bogus police report, claiming the officer firing the weapon was in danger of his life, fearing he would be run over by the driver.

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PostJul 30, 2015#5622

good job cops!

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PostJul 30, 2015#5623

sirshankalot wrote:good job cops!
Pretty low, even for you.

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PostJul 30, 2015#5624

Northside Neighbor wrote: The cops (three of them), then all prepare and sign a bogus police report, claiming the officer firing the weapon was in danger of his life, fearing he would be run over by the driver.
Here is the video:
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/ham ... e-shooting

It clearly shows that the driver started the car to drive away. As he started the car, the cop is yelling STOP STOP, obvisouly he is not stopping and the cop shoots him.
Why cant people listen to the police and cooperate? It seems like driver might have been on drugs as he wasnt able to really communicate / understand what was going on... plus trying to take off.

I think the main question is when can police use force to protect themselves? Should the cop have just let him drive off? If so, and that is the new law, then everyone will know cops have 0 authority to really do anything.

He will not be found guilty: He could have gotten ran over, he could have been afraid maybe the driver had a gun hidden, I mean who the F* would not have been scared for their life after what is a simple traffic stop the guy tries to bolt off with a cop with a cop in their window. What else would they be willing to do.

Also, if this driver watched this video, he would still be alive today:
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

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PostJul 30, 2015#5625

Imagine thinking that cop was justified in executing Mr. Dubose.

Can you imagine it?

I can't imagine it.

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