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Arch City wrote:

innov8ion wrote:Are you implying that you do not wish us to discuss crime statistics in a St. Louis thread on crime? Too bad.

Don't be foolish.

Arch City wrote:Okay, so let's stick to discussing Downtown St. Louis crime stats since the most recent topic on the Crime thread is about the homicide that occured at Maggie O'B's in downtown St. Louis.



You can't do it. It's too much like right.

Arch City wrote:Again, where are YOUR solutions? What are you doing to help the city progress socially besides offering up what paid officials are doing? What are you doing besides inflamming tensions via the safety of your Internet browser?



I submit you aren't doing jack.

innov8ion wrote:The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.

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That's a fair assumption, but I will say a lot of guys that are murdered on the North Side or the West side aren't from those neighborhoods. A lot of the time those guys are from Wellston, U. City, South Side, Jennings, Dellwood, Pagedale, Bellefontaine Neighbors. It's not that cut and dry. those robbers very well could be from North St. Louis...or the could be from West St. Louis or South St. Louis, East Side, or somewhere in St. Louis County.



Also everything north of Delmar is not considered "North St. Louis" There is a West St. Louis section of town that is bounded by Natural Bridge on the north, Kingshighway on the east, City Limits on the west and Delmar as the southern border.

southsidepride wrote:


I know folks who work for the Post might not want to hear it, but you really have to hunt to find an intelligent comment on most of those forums.



On this one I'd say (usually) the opposite is true.

TGE-ATW wrote:These crime threads essentially serve for people to vent their frustrations. Read back and notice the pattern. Crime happens, details are solidified, anger is expressed, frustrations devolve into personal back and forth that isn't interesting for anybody but the antagonists. Pissing continues for a page or so and eventually ends in somebody getting exhausted and quitting. Usually there are some racially motivated comments mixed in (some are legitimate, others gratuitous, almost all are taken personally), and frequently somebody takes a cue to threadjack along the lines of either gun control or the necessity of having an armed citizenry. Oh yeah, sometimes conservatards and libpussies opportunistically engage in talking-point cockslapping about the necessity of either "personal responsibility" or public assistance for education and job training. Eventually, Doug shows up and blames crime on the clearance of Mill Creek, Jefferson Davis, Paul McKee, and urban renewal. Finally, somebody makes a dispassionate observation about the tiresome absurdity of it all, includes some funny terms like "cockslapping" in his post, and we all have a chuckle. By that time, another crime will likely have occurred so we can all start rolling the rock back up the hill.

ttricamo wrote:

TGE-ATW wrote:These crime threads essentially serve for people to vent their frustrations. Read back and notice the pattern. Crime happens, details are solidified, anger is expressed, frustrations devolve into personal back and forth that isn't interesting for anybody but the antagonists. Pissing continues for a page or so and eventually ends in somebody getting exhausted and quitting. Usually there are some racially motivated comments mixed in (some are legitimate, others gratuitous, almost all are taken personally), and frequently somebody takes a cue to threadjack along the lines of either gun control or the necessity of having an armed citizenry. Oh yeah, sometimes conservatards and libpussies opportunistically engage in talking-point cockslapping about the necessity of either "personal responsibility" or public assistance for education and job training. Eventually, Doug shows up and blames crime on the clearance of Mill Creek, Jefferson Davis, Paul McKee, and urban renewal. Finally, somebody makes a dispassionate observation about the tiresome absurdity of it all, includes some funny terms like "cockslapping" in his post, and we all have a chuckle. By that time, another crime will likely have occurred so we can all start rolling the rock back up the hill.

Best, i mean BEST, post EVER on the Urban STL forum.

Hathaway wrote:I think the last few pages of discussion prove my point that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Someone please tell me how this discussion is significantly more informed and reasonable than the one in the reader comments thread on stltoday?

Good posts, TGE & SouthSide

TGE-ATW wrote:Well, it seems as if Innov8tion will take this round. It is very difficult to fight stereotypes in this town, they justify themselves entirely too frequently. From the new PD update.



"Police identified a man who was dropped off at Children's Hospital minutes after the robbery and shooting of Dolan as Derrick Bell, 30, of the 5000 block of Cote Brilliante. He died in surgery of a single gunshot wound to the chest.



"It has not yet been determined who shot Bell and, while we cannot say definitively that he was one of the two suspects" in the Maggie O'Brien's attack, said Police spokeswoman Erica S. Van Ross, "he is a probable suspect."

PD wrote:Police are still looking at surveillance video at Children's Hospital to try to learn the identity of Bell's companion. There were no surveillance cameras inside Maggie O'Brien's and a rotating street camera operated by the city was of no use because it was not positioned on the business at the time of the robbery.