Crime Thread

innov8ion · PostJun 04, 2009#5012009-06-04T21:56+00:00

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:Continually pulling the race card when it is not apt is unbecoming of anyone. As a moderator and a reasonable person, please be less provocative.
I think you are grasping. Come on, dude. Seriously.

Easy to say when you're the one calling people racist, eh?

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:* The Post-Dispatch had already stated the suspects were African-American. Does that make them racist?

Only after they investigated and conferred with the police did the PD give descriptions of the suspects. You, on the other hand, operated on crafty "probabilities" BEFORE the paid officials and the local newspaper publication released any information on the suspects. So no, the PD isn't racist.

Get the facts straight, jack. The P-D had already disclosed the race of the two assailants given by statements from those in the bar. Later, one of the suspects was identified.

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:* Don't care for crime statistics? Speak with the Circuit Attorney and the Police Chief. Does that make them racist?

I haven't heard the PC or CA speak yet about this crime from a racial aspect. Only you. So no, the PC nor the CA has demonstrated racism or prejudice.

They spoke about downtown crime trends in a residential meeting. Obviously they didn't specifically comment on a future event. Since you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of trend, here are some definitions: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Atrend

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:* Take a look at this murder map, will you? Does that make the map racist?
The map simply demonstrates a disproportionate amount of homicides committed in one part of town. Is the map racist? No. Can the map be used as a tool by a person who is a racist or race-agitator? Yes.

I never stated the murderer came from North City. I said it was probable given the race of the man and historical data. Have you heard of the word, "S-T-A-T-I-S-T-I-C-S?" You've regressed enough, go take it up with Blaise Pascal!

Until then, take a hike (in Forest Park.)

juiceinkirkwood · PostJun 04, 2009#5022009-06-04T22:39+00:00

TGE-ATW wrote:

Offensive and inappropriate.

arch city · PostJun 04, 2009#5032009-06-04T22:49+00:00

Says the man labeling people racist...

Yep. When people demonstrate racist behavior or agitation, I call it as I see it - just like you apparently do. The difference is I don't hide behind "probabilities". By the way, I saw your POS comment before you deleted it. Get classy, follow the rules and tolerances.

How convenient of you to rewrite history, eh? The P-D had already disclosed the race of the assailants. They had statements from those in the bar. Only later was one of the suspects identified.

Nope. The P-D did report the suspects were black males. However, you said they were from North St. Louis, when at this very hour, the police aren’t even sure where the perps are from. Regardless of their residential geography, again, you were inflaming tensions unnecessarily.

They spoke about crime trends downtown in a residential meeting. And I highly doubt that they made predictions about a specific crime in the future.

No not stupid as you called me before you edited your comments. Just observant. When did the PC and CA talk about crime trends in downtown from a racial aspect in relation to this latest incident at Maggie O'B's? They haven't. And if they had, it would have been plastered on this thread as "proof" by now. Since you like to post stuff, post a link to a video or something. Then depending on its context, I might cut you some slack.

I never stated the murderer came from North City. I said it was probable.

Same thing. You are disingenuous, which by the way is not an insult, but an observation.

Have you heard of the word, "S-T-A-T-I-S-T-I-C-S?

Sure, one statistic suggests that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. shoot.gif

And since you like to use urban vernacular I'll end this round by saying, “Yo son, check yo self before you wreck yo self. Peace out.”

innov8ion · PostJun 04, 2009#5042009-06-04T22:52+00:00

In this thread you have proven to be racist, ignorant, misrepresentative, and not "overly-intelligent."

I'm ok in saying this 1- Because it's the truth and 2- Because the "rules and tolerances" don't seem to apply to you. (It's perfectly legitimate for you to call people racist and mentally ill, apparently.)

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:I never stated the murderer came from North City. I said it was probable.
Same thing.

So you're calling me racist because you don't understand probability and logic? Figures...

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:How convenient of you to rewrite history, eh? The P-D had already disclosed the race of the assailants. They had statements from those in the bar. Only later was one of the suspects identified.
Nope. The P-D did report the suspects were black males. However, you said they were from North St. Louis, when at this very hour, the police aren’t even sure where the perps are from.

First, please read what I wrote and not what your angry mind wants you to see. I didn't say they were from North St. Louis. I said it was probable given the race of the assailants and historical data. And FYI, the home of the probable (the P-D's word, not mine!) suspect is in North St. Louis: http://is.gd/Oxbp

Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:They spoke about crime trends downtown in a residential meeting. And I highly doubt that they made predictions about a specific crime in the future.
When did the PC and CA talk about crime trends in downtown from a racial aspect in relation to this latest incident at Maggie O'B's? They haven't.

Are you aware that reading comprehension isn't exactly your forté? I stated that the PC and CA spoke in the past (well before this murder) about crime trends downtown.

It's unfortunate that Arch City's hypersensitivity has triggered a severe loss of judgment and abuse toward forum participants. Will a responsible moderator please lock the thread for a bit?

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 04, 2009#5052009-06-04T23:51+00:00

JuiceInDogtown wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:

Offensive and inappropriate.

But funny.

innov8ion · PostJun 04, 2009#5062009-06-04T23:53+00:00

^ Yeah, I dunno why I'm wasting my time talking to a brick wall. Seriously...

gopher · PostJun 05, 2009#5072009-06-05T14:01+00:00

This was sent to me last night...

http://martello.org/blog/2009/06/bloody ... larry.html

A bunch of us are asking Kacie for a meeting with the new District 4 Commander about what is going on, what we can do, and what we want the cops to do.

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 05, 2009#5082009-06-05T14:16+00:00

gopher wrote:This was sent to me last night...

http://martello.org/blog/2009/06/bloody ... larry.html

A bunch of us are asking Kacie for a meeting with the new District 4 Commander about what is going on, what we can do, and what we want the cops to do.

Shut down Larry, that's what we want someone to do. The question is, who has the cajones? Slay needs to step up to the plate.

doug · PostJun 05, 2009#5092009-06-05T14:38+00:00

TGE-ATW wrote:These crime threads essentially serve for people to vent their frustrations. Read back and notice the pattern. Crime happens, details are solidified, anger is expressed, frustrations devolve into personal back and forth that isn't interesting for anybody but the antagonists. Pissing continues for a page or so and eventually ends in somebody getting exhausted and quitting. Usually there are some racially motivated comments mixed in (some are legitimate, others gratuitous, almost all are taken personally), and frequently somebody takes a cue to threadjack along the lines of either gun control or the necessity of having an armed citizenry. Oh yeah, sometimes conservatards and libpussies opportunistically engage in talking-point cockslapping about the necessity of either "personal responsibility" or public assistance for education and job training. Eventually, Doug shows up and blames crime on the clearance of Mill Creek, Jefferson Davis, Paul McKee, and urban renewal. Finally, somebody makes a dispassionate observation about the tiresome absurdity of it all, includes some funny terms like "cockslapping" in his post, and we all have a chuckle. By that time, another crime will likely have occurred so we can all start rolling the rock back up the hill.

This made my weekend!

tge-atw · PostJun 05, 2009#5102009-06-05T14:47+00:00

Juice, it is very rude of you to be intolerant of my offensiveness and lack of propriety. Shall we start an argument?

moorlander · PostJun 05, 2009#5112009-06-05T14:55+00:00

^ Funny, one of the first things I learned once leaving the suburban bubble is that calling something 'gay' or 'retarded' can be highly offensive. It really is a wake up call, seeing as both are such common place.

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 05, 2009#5122009-06-05T15:09+00:00

^ yes and I've found that what I consider to be the pragmatic liberalism is some small towns is quite different than the knee-jerk screams of racism/intolerance/prejudice/etc. of big city liberalism.

tge-atw · PostJun 05, 2009#5132009-06-05T15:27+00:00

I really didn't mean any offense, I promise. My wife is retarded.

threeonefour · PostJun 05, 2009#5142009-06-05T16:54+00:00

TGE-ATW wrote:These crime threads essentially serve for people to vent their frustrations. Read back and notice the pattern. Crime happens, details are solidified, anger is expressed, frustrations devolve into personal back and forth that isn't interesting for anybody but the antagonists. Pissing continues for a page or so and eventually ends in somebody getting exhausted and quitting. Usually there are some racially motivated comments mixed in (some are legitimate, others gratuitous, almost all are taken personally), and frequently somebody takes a cue to threadjack along the lines of either gun control or the necessity of having an armed citizenry. Oh yeah, sometimes conservatards and libpussies opportunistically engage in talking-point cockslapping about the necessity of either "personal responsibility" or public assistance for education and job training. Eventually, Doug shows up and blames crime on the clearance of Mill Creek, Jefferson Davis, Paul McKee, and urban renewal. Finally, somebody makes a dispassionate observation about the tiresome absurdity of it all, includes some funny terms like "cockslapping" in his post, and we all have a chuckle. By that time, another crime will likely have occurred so we can all start rolling the rock back up the hill.

I know this has been said about this comment many times, but this is pretty damn funny. And quite accurate.

MattnSTL · PostJun 05, 2009#5152009-06-05T18:25+00:00

innov8ion wrote:It's unfortunate that Arch City's hypersensitivity has triggered a severe loss of judgment and abuse toward forum participants. Will a responsible moderator please lock the thread for a bit?

No.

dweebe · PostJun 05, 2009#5162009-06-05T19:42+00:00

MattnSTL wrote:
innov8ion wrote:It's unfortunate that Arch City's hypersensitivity has triggered a severe loss of judgment and abuse toward forum participants. Will a responsible moderator please lock the thread for a bit?

No.

juiceinkirkwood · PostJun 06, 2009#5172009-06-06T02:15+00:00

I just find it odd that a forum that is probably 95% people that would call themselves "liberal" are perfectly fine with statements and actions making fun of the mentally retarded. If I were to drop the N word or call someone a queer, I'd probably get my "first notice," but nothing everyone looks the other way when Doug calls someone a retard or TGE posts the picture that he posted.

Don't mind me though, I'm just an old fashioned conservative

southsidepride · PostJun 06, 2009#5182009-06-06T14:38+00:00

^I know it's off topic but I have heard Rush Limbaugh call Congressional Democrats "retards" on his radio show. I also think far far fewer than 95% of the forum users consider themselves liberal. We haven't taken over the world just yet

I'm not wild about hearing that word used, no matter who is using it (and yes, I have used it myself too--and I have a developmentally challenged nephew). But I don't get too worked up over it. It can be an offensive term, but it's use is rarely indicative of malice towards that group of people. Whereas the "N word" or "queer" usually is.

Not saying that makes it right, just sayin

juiceinkirkwood · PostJun 06, 2009#5192009-06-06T20:59+00:00

This;

TGE-ATW wrote:

is not calling someone a retard.

Then again, we have a president who said his bowling is like "the special olympics," so why should I expect better of anyone else?

the count · PostJun 07, 2009#5202009-06-07T02:11+00:00

You suffer from "selective sensitivity".

juiceinkirkwood · PostJun 07, 2009#5212009-06-07T16:00+00:00

The Count wrote:You suffer from "selective sensitivity".

Oh really? Explain, with examples. Thanks.

innov8ion · PostJun 08, 2009#5222009-06-08T16:00+00:00

^ Ok, I'll bite. Here's just one example: http://bit.ly/4kb77v

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 08, 2009#5232009-06-08T16:12+00:00

^ is Rick Astley developmentally challenged?

innov8ion · PostJun 08, 2009#5242009-06-08T16:13+00:00

^ You know the rules, and so do I.

the count · PostJun 08, 2009#5252009-06-08T16:22+00:00

OK Juice, here we go:

Juice wrote:

"The idiots at Fox 2"

"I think all "anti-death penalty activists" are idiots."

These are just two of your posts taken from page 30 of this thread.

Defintion of Idiot:

(1)A foolish or stupid person.

(2)A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age

below three years and generally being unable to learn connected

speech or guard against common dangers.

The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use

and is now considered offensive.

It seems you use language like this at will all over this forum, sometimes with the intention to insult. Yet, when TGE-ATW is making a joke (and a good one at that) to try to ease some tension between two "feuding" forum members you don't seem to sense the context and get all upset because he used a word that's not in your politically correct dictionary.

For a lack of better words I called it "selective sensitivity".

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