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PostJun 03, 2009#476

Arch City wrote:And ultimately, except for investigators and law enforcement, it shouldn't matter from what part of town are the perps. Outside of law enforcement, I submit that only internet racists would care this much. I don't want to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime. I'm sure Dolan, while running for his life, wasn't thinking, "What part of town are these men from?"



How ridiculous.
Oh? Knowing where the majority of crime originates from is important and doesn't make one a racist. It's time to start getting real. Key depressed areas need assistance and reinvestment.



And I dunno about winning any rounds. I think that can only happen when people stop being ignorant, start being accountable and make positive changes.

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PostJun 03, 2009#477

Read the bolded exerpt: well, it seems as if Innov8tion will take this round."

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PostJun 03, 2009#478

Arch City.

I think Innov8ion is simply stating that information is power. The more evidence that shows that crime occurs/originates in the North City, then hopefully more resources can be dedicated to that area. Sure it also allows everyone to blame that area, but the more obvious it comes, the obvious we need to do something about it.



Innov8ion. You work for Boeing/IDS... get those guys do some to pro bono/research development for surveliance in downtown St. Louis. Then if it works, the city can expand all to the north and south.

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PostJun 03, 2009#479

innov8ion wrote:^ Oh? Knowing where the majority of crime originates from is important and doesn't make one a racist. It's time to start getting real. These areas need assistance and reinvestment.
Your original point, in my opinion, was not about "assistance and reinvestment". In my opinion, you were race-baiting with your perp "probabilities" and you have a history of doing on this forum although you have been a little more subdued until recently. Personally, I think you could less about reinvestment in North City.



And what's interesting is that you don't know if this crime "originated" in North City. Hell, the police don't even know yet. Further, the crime itself happened in downtown St. Louis. Crime and homicides are committed all over the city by people of all backgrounds.


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And I dunno about winning any rounds. It's just what the Police Chief & Circuit Attorney communicate is likely.
Do have a link to a transcript or communicates with Isom and Joyce's comments? I would love to read what they said about North City. And while you are at it, dig up what they said about crimes in other parts of the city.

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TGE-ATW wrote:Read the bolded exerpt: well, it seems as if Innov8tion will take this round."
You know what they say about assumptions. :wink:

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southsidepride wrote:Then again, you are a conservative Republican who doesn't fear the inside of the 270 loop so maybe those time saving stereotypes aren't always so accurate :)
:lol: ;)

PostJun 03, 2009#482

The idiots at Fox 2 want to know if the recent crime aroudn Union Station will change your habits when going downtown (that's if you DO go downtown any way).



http://www.fox2now.com



Toward the bottom on the right.



But don't spend too much time on it, there's a 300 char limit and they have to be "submitted for review" so anything critical of Fox is obviously not going to make it.



My question was why they didn't ask these questions when 2 Steak N Shake employees were murdered in south county.

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PostJun 03, 2009#483

One more thing. When I grew most of my friends were black, I lost my virginity with a black girl I really, really liked AND I had that Sugarhill Gang record on vinyl when I was 9 years old soooo ARCH CITY dummy up with the academic drivel and start raising your expectations for the human race.



You gonna delete this post?

PostJun 03, 2009#484

Innov8ion: Just a lucky guess. What are you gonna do for an encore? Predict the next meth lab bust is gonna be in Jefferson County? How do you do it?

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Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:^ Oh? Knowing where the majority of crime originates from is important and doesn't make one a racist. It's time to start getting real. These areas need assistance and reinvestment.
Your original point, in my opinion, was not about "assistance and reinvestment". In my opinion, you were race-baiting with your perp "probabilities" and you have a history of doing on this forum although you have been a little more subdued until recently. Personally, I think you could less about reinvestment in North City.
You are so quick to make judgments without even knowing me or my intentions. Additionally, I'm impressed with how effortlessly you label people racist that communicate public facts and correlations. Do you really think you are bridging racial divides with this behavior and repeated ignorance of the truth?



Generally, moderators on this forum act justly and with class. We understand this is a sensitive topic for you, so please pay more attention to the forum's rules and regulations. If you feel upset, why not just take a breather?


Arch City wrote:And what's interesting is that you don't know if this crime "originated" in North City. Hell, the police don't even know yet. And if so, big deal. And we still don't know where the perps lived. Further, the crime itself happened in downtown St. Louis.
It's not just about this crime specifically. It's about a pattern of crimes before this, and those that will come after it. The road to violent crime is a long one, and it starts in the neighborhood one grows up in and lives. Lefty just mentioned many violent neighborhoods. Is it that difficult for you to conceive that violence and crime often spill over to nearby areas? For you, perhaps, but the statistics don't lie. You may not care about neighborhood safety, but responsible citizens do.



Stopping crime takes an active and holistic approach. There's not a lot one can do when the criminal is getting ready to pull the trigger. We must start earlier.


Arch City wrote:
innov8ion wrote:And I dunno about winning any rounds. It's just what the Police Chief & Circuit Attorney communicate is likely.
Do have a link to a transcript or communicates with Isom and Joyce's comments? I would love to read what they said about North City. And while you are at it, dig up what they said about crimes in other parts of the city.
Prove that you can handle the truth.

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PostJun 03, 2009#486

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Someone please tell me how this discussion is significantly more informed and reasonable than the one in the reader comments thread on stltoday?


If you really need someone to explain this to you, you should not be working for a newspaper.

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PostJun 04, 2009#487

Can someone tell me again why Danny Glover is swooping in to town to try to save this scumbag piece of trash who raped and murdered 2 sisters because he and his crew "felt like hurting somebody?" I'm assuming it's because one of the victims appears to be white and her sister appears to be half black half white.

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PostJun 04, 2009#488

Arch City wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:Read the bolded exerpt: well, it seems as if Innov8tion will take this round."
You know what they say about assumptions. :wink:


You make an a** out of u and mptions?



-RBB

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PostJun 04, 2009#489

JuiceInDogtown wrote:Can someone tell me again why Danny Glover is swooping in to town to try to save this scumbag piece of trash who raped and murdered 2 sisters because he and his crew "felt like hurting somebody?" I'm assuming it's because one of the victims appears to be white and her sister appears to be half black half white.


Juice, did you not see the above lesson on what happens when you

assume? :wink:

Danny Glover is an anti-death penalty activist. He has protested executions of white, black, brown, etc. in many states.



Bill McClellan (who I consider pretty moderate overall) is also in favor of commuting the sentence to life

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/c ... enDocument





For the record I am in favor of the death penalty in certain cases. One man was already put to death in this horrific crime. Another had his death sentence commuted to life. The police didn't exactly handle this in the most professional manner.

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PostJun 04, 2009#490

southsidepride wrote:
JuiceInDogtown wrote:Can someone tell me again why Danny Glover is swooping in to town to try to save this scumbag piece of trash who raped and murdered 2 sisters because he and his crew "felt like hurting somebody?" I'm assuming it's because one of the victims appears to be white and her sister appears to be half black half white.


Juice, did you not see the above lesson on what happens when you

assume? :wink:

Danny Glover is an anti-death penalty activist. He has protested executions of white, black, brown, etc. in many states.



Bill McClellan (who I consider pretty moderate overall) is also in favor of commuting the sentence to life

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/c ... enDocument





For the record I am in favor of the death penalty in certain cases. One man was already put to death in this horrific crime. Another had his death sentence commuted to life. The police didn't exactly handle this in the most professional manner.


You win on the Danny Glover thing. It just so happens I think all "anti-death penalty activists" are idiots.



It would enrage me to see all of these people standing up for the people that raped and killed my 2 daughters.



Of course, the St Louis "rapper" who was just murdered was also a great guy...you know, the one who got shot to death when committing a robbery.



Poor Reginal Clemons :(

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PostJun 04, 2009#491

^ so you think the Pope is "an idiot"?



I disagree with the Pope on this issue and also abortion, but I wouldn't paint everyone who disagrees with me with such a broad brush.

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PostJun 04, 2009#492

southsidepride wrote:^ so you think the Pope is "an idiot"?



I disagree with the Pope on this issue and also abortion, but I wouldn't paint everyone who disagrees with me with such a broad brush.


Actually, I think the pope is an idiot, but not because of his stance on these issues.



But that's another thread.... :)

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PostJun 04, 2009#493

What's this? nobody has mentioned the two separate shootings in N. city last night? For shame. Opportunity is knocking, sisyphus is walking.

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TGE-ATW wrote:What's this? nobody has mentioned the two separate shootings in N. city last night? For shame. Opportunity is knocking, sisyphus is walking.


I just saw the article on the P-D's site and wandered over to see if anyone had mentioned it.

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PostJun 04, 2009#495

TGE-ATW wrote:What's this? nobody has mentioned the two separate shootings in N. city last night? For shame. Opportunity is knocking, sisyphus is walking.


I would have mentioned it, but I had to go run and buy a concealed weapon first.

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PostJun 04, 2009#496

"You are so quick to make judgments without even knowing me or my intentions. Additionally, I'm impressed with how effortlessly you label people racist that communicate public facts and correlations. Do you really think you are bridging racial divides with this behavior and repeated ignorance of the truth?"


Interesting. You make judgments about others, but others cannot make judgments about you? You were the individual that helped fester this into a crafty race debate with your perp probability theories. And you did it before law enforcement authorities gave in-depth information about the crime. If that is not making judgments or assumptions – I don’t know what is. I'm quick to make judgments? How laughable. I’m no fool and I am sure others have seen through your game. As I have said before and still maintain, you were race-baiting – especially with your "Keep it real, yo" sniping. Talk about a lack of class. Yet, you want people to take you seriously.



If you don't want to be labeled as a racist (or at the very least an race instigator), then maybe you should consider less inflammatory rhetoric to make your point.


"Generally, moderators on this forum act justly and with class. We understand this is a sensitive topic for you, so please pay more attention to the forum's rules and regulations. If you feel upset, why not just take a breather?"


Trust me, many of the mods here seem to be good people, and were chosen because of our history on other boards and easy temperaments, however, they aren't African-American. I am. And only one other mod is a minority. So quite naturally there are some racial comments/issues I am going to confront that other mods probably won't. Further, if confronting you about commentary that I find offensive means I am not acting justly or with class – then so be it. It is your interpretation. I also know that as a mod, you’d feel the other mods/admins act justly and with class until one of them confronts you on an issue you feel they shouldn't.



And last, apparently this is a sensitive topic for you too because you have more replies and comments on this than I do. Maybe you should take your own advice and take a breather yourself.


"It's not just about this crime specifically. It's about a pattern of crimes before this, and those that will come after it. The road to violent crime is a long one, and it starts in the neighborhood one grows up in and lives. Is it that difficult for you to conceive that violence and crime often spill over to nearby areas? Stopping crime takes an active and holistic approach."


Interesting. I think you are still trying to create a smoke screen. I don't recall you being as analytical when crimes have been committed in other parts of the city. As I see it, the city needs to continuously examine crime trends that occur throughout the city because crimes, regardless of where they occur or who commits them, impact us all. A meth lab in South City, a crack house in North City or coke house in the Central Corridor is all the same. A homicide is a homicide regardless if there is a handful in South City, a disproportionate amount in north St. Louis or a few in downtown St. Louis. The city and its image still suffer in the process. Some people take pride in the notion, "See, we aren't as bad as they are", but are too stupid or blind to recognize the whole damn fort is burning to the ground.


"You may not care about neighborhood safety, but responsible citizens do."


LOL!! Don't be ridiculous. Just protect yourself so that you won't get shot by a northsider.

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PostJun 04, 2009#497

Arch City wrote:
"You are so quick to make judgments without even knowing me or my intentions. Additionally, I'm impressed with how effortlessly you label people racist that communicate public facts and correlations. Do you really think you are bridging racial divides with this behavior and repeated ignorance of the truth?"


Interesting. You make judgments about others, but others cannot make judgments about you? You were the individual that helped fester this into a crafty race debate with your perp probability theories. And you did it before law enforcement authorities gave in-depth information about the crime. If that is not making judgments or assumptions – I don’t know what is. I'm quick to make judgments? How laughable. I’m no fool and I am sure others have seen through your game. As I have said before and still maintain, you were race-baiting – especially with your "Keep it real, yo" sniping. Talk about a lack of class. Yet, you want people to take you seriously.



If you don't want to be labeled as a racist (or at the very least an race instigator), then maybe you should consider less inflammatory rhetoric to make your point.
Continually pulling the race card when it is not apt is unbecoming of anyone. As a moderator and especially as a reasonable person, please be less provocative.



* The Post-Dispatch had already stated the suspects were African-American. Does that make them racist?



* Don't care for crime statistics? Speak with the Circuit Attorney and the Police Chief. Are they racist?



* Take a look at this murder map, please. Is the map racist?



* "Keep it real, yo" is in the common vernacular. I think you know what it means...




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Don't mention the War!




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innov8ion wrote:Continually pulling the race card when it is not apt is unbecoming of anyone. As a moderator and a reasonable person, please be less provocative.
I think you are grasping. Come on, dude. Seriously.


innov8ion wrote:* The Post-Dispatch had already stated the suspects were African-American. Does that make them racist?


Only after they investigated and conferred with the police did the PD give descriptions of the suspects. You, on the other hand, operated on crafty "probabilities" BEFORE the paid officials and the local newspaper publication released any information on the suspects. So no, the PD isn't racist.


innov8ion wrote:* Don't care for crime statistics? Speak with the Circuit Attorney and the Police Chief. Does that make them racist?


I haven't heard the PC or CA speak yet about this crime from a racial aspect. Only you. So no, the PC nor the CA has demonstrated racism or prejudice.


innov8ion wrote:* Take a look at this murder map, will you? Does that make the map racist?
The map simply demonstrates a disproportionate amount of homicides committed in one part of town. Is the map racist? No. Can the map be used as a tool by a person who is a racist or race-agitator? Yes.


innov8ion wrote:*Please stop pulling the race card.
LOL!! I think you need to take a breather.

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