I don't know if this is old news or not, but Fox 2 appears to be confirming that one of the suspects died due to gun shot. Not sure if that was confirmed before. Not sure if this is related to the Maggie O's incident or not.
These criminals are going to zap the life out of downtown just as it's trying to come back. I don't want to go into panic mode, but downtown property owners, business owners, and civic orgs need to demand more (at least some reassurance) from the St. Louis Police Dept. that they have things under control. Although the police cannot be everywhere, I wonder what the police are doing to address this surge of violent crime downtown?
Instead of bickering with the disgruntled Fox people, Slay needs to be on this surge of violence downtown. The MLB All-Star game is right around the corner.
Although the dead dudes that were shot in front of the Main Post Office were reportedly drug "hit men" allegedly responsible for several, if not many, drug-related homicides in St. Louis City and county - at least that's the word on the street - that was a targeted incident.
This Maggie O'B's incident, at least at this time, seems pretty random. We can't have this.
Instead of bickering with the disgruntled Fox people, Slay needs to be on this surge of violence downtown. The MLB All-Star game is right around the corner.
Although the dead dudes that were shot in front of the Main Post Office were reportedly drug "hit men" allegedly responsible for several, if not many, drug-related homicides in St. Louis City and county - at least that's the word on the street - that was a targeted incident.
This Maggie O'B's incident, at least at this time, seems pretty random. We can't have this.
Arch City wrote:This Maggie O'B's incident, at least at this time, seems pretty random. We can't have this.
Amen. I'm sure during the ASG festivities downtown will be flooded with police, but if something happens, it could damage tourism for years to come.
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Maybe downtown could use a "National Night Out" type event.
It's a shame that some "urbanists" are fighting to keep investment out of North St. Louis. They're working their tails off to help cement crime in the city. Keep it real, yo.kujay wrote:Arch City wrote:This Maggie O'B's incident, at least at this time, seems pretty random. We can't have this.
Amen. I'm sure during the ASG festivities downtown will be flooded with police, but if something happens, it could damage tourism for years to come.
^Your comment suggests the perps were from North St. Louis. What's your resource? Your comment also suggests that crime in the city is just a northside problem - and it isn't.
Despite new investments in all parts of the city, crime still happens throughout the city.
Despite new investments in all parts of the city, crime still happens throughout the city.
Here's the most updated and comprehensive report I've seen on this so far. And, surprise, it's not from the P-D:
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _dolan.php
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _dolan.php
The majority of murder in St. Louis stems from North City. Do you disagree? Let me grab an image from the City's "Safe City" map.Arch City wrote:^Your comment suggests the perps were from North St. Louis. What's your resource? Your comment also suggests that crime in the city is just a northside problem - and it isn't.
Despite new investments in all parts of the city, crime still happens throughout the city.
^Again, what's your resource indicating the perps in this latest incident (Maggie O'B's) were from North St. Louis? Sounds like you are jumping the gun a bit. You really shouldn't pre-judge.
Further, you can pull up Safe-City stats all you want. While North St. Louis does have a disproportionate amount of crime, what does a crime in DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS have to do with North St. Louis?
Further, you can pull up Safe-City stats all you want. While North St. Louis does have a disproportionate amount of crime, what does a crime in DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS have to do with North St. Louis?
The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.Arch City wrote:^Again, what's your resource indicating the perps in this latest incident (Maggie O'B's) were from North St. Louis? Sounds like you are jumping the gun a bit. You really shouldn't pre-judge.
Perhaps you'd like to speak with City Prosecutor, Jennifer Joyce. The facts I've listened to her present in downtown safety meetings indicate a strong correlation. Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.Arch City wrote:Further, you can pull up Safe-City stats all you want. While North St. Louis does have a disproportionate amount of crime, what does a crime in DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS have to do with North St. Louis?
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Arch City wrote:^Again, what's your resource indicating the perps in this latest incident (Maggie O'B's) were from North St. Louis? Sounds like you are jumping the gun a bit. You really shouldn't pre-judge.
He's probably just playing the odds.
It would be a safe bet.
innov8ion wrote:The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.Arch City wrote:^Again, what's your resource indicating the perps in this latest incident (Maggie O'B's) were from North St. Louis? Sounds like you are jumping the gun a bit. You really shouldn't pre-judge.
Perhaps you'd like to speak with City Prosecutor, Jennifer Joyce. The facts I've listened to her present in downtown safety meetings indicate a strong correlation. Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.Arch City wrote:Further, you can pull up Safe-City stats all you want. While North St. Louis does have a disproportionate amount of crime, what does a crime in DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS have to do with North St. Louis?
^Thought so. You don't have any absolutes about what part of the region the perps are from.
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To clarify, I wasn't speaking in absolutes.Arch City wrote:innov8ion wrote:The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.Arch City wrote:^Again, what's your resource indicating the perps in this latest incident (Maggie O'B's) were from North St. Louis? Sounds like you are jumping the gun a bit. You really shouldn't pre-judge.
Perhaps you'd like to speak with City Prosecutor, Jennifer Joyce. The facts I've listened to her present in downtown safety meetings indicate a strong correlation. Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.Arch City wrote:Further, you can pull up Safe-City stats all you want. While North St. Louis does have a disproportionate amount of crime, what does a crime in DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS have to do with North St. Louis?
^Thought so. You don't have any absolutes about what part of the region the perps are from.
With that logic, you are suggesting all homicides committed in North St. Louis are perpetrated by a North St. Louis resident(s). Don't be ridiculous. FYI, just because a homicide occurs in North City, it doesn't mean the perp resides/resided in North City.innov8ion wrote:The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.
Perhaps you'd like to speak with City Prosecutor, Jennifer Joyce. The facts I've listened to her present in downtown safety meetings indicate a strong correlation. Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.
Further, I acknowledged that a disproportionate amount of city crime - including homicides - happens in North City, so who is hiding from the truth?
The point is... you are being geographically prejudiced because you do not have all of the facts.
I'm not suggesting all, but a very high percentage. Do you think the crimes in North City originate in Ladue? Once again, I recommend you speak with Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and Police Chief Isom. I have heard them speak about this. Have you?Arch City wrote:With that logic, you are suggesting all homicides committed in North St. Louis are perpetrated by a North St. Louis resident(s). Don't be ridiculous. FYI, just because a homicide occurs in North City, it doesn't mean the perp resides/resided in North City.innov8ion wrote:The probability is high that the murderer came from North St. Louis.
Perhaps you'd like to speak with City Prosecutor, Jennifer Joyce. The facts I've listened to her present in downtown safety meetings indicate a strong correlation. Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.
The point is... you are being geographically prejudice because you do not have all of the facts.
I never implied you were hiding from that.Arch City wrote:Further, I acknowledged that a disproportionate amount of city crime - including homicides - happens in North City, so who is hiding from the truth?
You did imply it. Who else here challenged you on your silly "probability" ruse? Simply put, you do not have absolute facts AND until you get them, you might want to refrain from playing the "probability" game. What does it accomplish? In the end, it only demonstrates your limitations.innov8ion wrote:
Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.
I'm pretty sure I know what I meant better than you. If you profess otherwise then I'm not sure what there is to say in response. And the last time I checked, we are still allowed to express our opinions in this forum.Arch City wrote:You did imply it. Who else here challenged you on your silly "probability" ruse? Simply put, you do not have absolute facts AND until you get them, you might want to refrain from playing the "probability" game. What does it accomplish? In the end, it only demonstrates your limitations.innov8ion wrote:
Just because it may make some people feel uncomfortable does not mean that we should hide from the truth.
Apparently you know more about crime in St. Louis than Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and Police Chief Isom. Pretty impressive, don't you think? My hat's off to ya, man!
Facing the truth is the only way we can improve as a city. That, and it's an integral part of the 12 step program. I know this from watching sitcoms.
Do you really? I don't think so.innov8ion wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what I meant better than you.
I would prefer that you say nothing...absolutely nothing.innov8ion wrote: If you profess otherwise then I'm not sure what there is to say in response.
You are still allowed to express your opinions, but what about your statements thus far have been constructive? I submit absolutely nothing.innov8ion wrote:The last time I checked, we are still allowed to express our opinions in this forum. Apparently you know more about crime in St. Louis than Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and Police Chief Isom. My hat's off to you, man.
Facing what truth? Care to elaborate? Thus far, you have not offered one solution to remedy crime in the city. Not one. Yet, you race-bait and not even cleverly. At least Isom and Jennifer Joyce are offering some solutions. You haven't done anything but offer unclever probabilities.innov8ion wrote:Facing the truth is the only way we can improve as a city. That, and it's an integral part of the 12 step program. I know from watching sitcoms.
That's apparent.Arch City wrote:I would prefer that you say nothing...absolutely nothing.innov8ion wrote: If you profess otherwise then I'm not sure what there is to say in response.
Consideration of the truth is constructive, Arch City. And what is this race-baiting you speak of? I did not state the murderer was African American. Police reports indicated he and his accomplice were African American. I did state the murderer likely came from North St. Louis due to information and data from Joyce and Isom that indicate a strong correlation between crime downtown originating from persons in North City. If you don't like the facts, tough titties.Arch City wrote:You are still allowed to express your opinions, but what about your statements thus far has been constructive? I submit absolutely nothing.innov8ion wrote:The last time I checked, we are still allowed to express our opinions in this forum. Apparently you know more about crime in St. Louis than Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and Police Chief Isom. My hat's off to you, man.
Facing what truth? Care to elaborate? You have not offered one solution thus far. Not one. Yet, you race-bait and not even cleverly. At least Isom and Jennifer Joyce are offering some solutions. You haven't done anything but offer unclever probabilities.
Go ahead and crucify me for suggesting that St. Louis should make more equitable investments in its neighborhoods. Guess that makes me the devil. Ooooh.
And you still keep bumping your gums.innov8ion wrote:That's apparent.Arch City wrote:I would prefer that you say nothing...absolutely nothing.innov8ion wrote: If you profess otherwise then I'm not sure what there is to say in response.
Again, where are YOUR solutions? What are you doing to help the city progress socially besides offering up what paid officials are doing? What are you doing besides inflamming tensions via the safety of your Internet browser?innov8ion wrote:Consideration of the truth is constructive, Arch City.
I submit you aren't doing jack.
Are you implying that you do not wish us to discuss crime statistics in a St. Louis thread on crime? Too bad.Arch City wrote:And you still keep bumping your gums.innov8ion wrote:That's apparent.Arch City wrote: I would prefer that you say nothing...absolutely nothing.
Since you would rather shut people up and pretend that all of St. Louis exists in a vacuum, perhaps you should tell us about your solutions and what you are doing to bring them to fruition.Arch City wrote:Again, where are YOUR solutions? What are you doing to help the city progress socially besides offering up what paid officials are doing? What are you doing besides inflamming tensions via the safety of your Internet browser?innov8ion wrote:Consideration of the truth is constructive, Arch City.
I submit you aren't doing jack.
Don't be foolish. Okay, so let's stick to discussing Downtown St. Louis crime stats since the most recent topic on the Crime thread is about the homicide that occured at Maggie O'B's in downtown St. Louis.innov8ion wrote:Are you implying that you do not wish us to discuss crime statistics in a St. Louis thread on crime? Too bad.
You can't do it. It's too much like right.