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moorlander wrote:When do the $12million/year payments for the Dome expire?

$12M from State (10 bonds/2 operations)
$6M from County (5 bonds/1 operations)
$6M from City (5 bonds/1 operations)

I think they go until 2021 but I think now they will go until about 2035 and refinanced to about 1/5th of the previous costs.

Calgary is going through a stadium saga.

I'm super strong in my belief that St. Louis can be better than ever without the NFL.

But I was sad last night. I cried. I'm sad this morning. The fact that I finally wrote off the NFL from my life 6 weeks ago doesn't change that I spent almost 21 years invested in it.

They did us wrong yesterday. But in doing so, they only further cemented the things I already felt about them. They're a terrible and greedy organization (or league of organizations) and they are not interested in the betterment of the cities that play host to them.

Should have taken South Park to heart

I was thinking, now the that LA Rams are reality, what is the true effect regarding local jobs. I wonder how many at Rams Park will be kept. How many people at the Dome, whether they be management or service staff, will lose their jobs. Also, what will come of local beat writers, TV & radio personalities. Will they follow the Rams to LA? How many people were employed indirectly with the Rams, vendors, suppliers, etc. I think we have some numbers floating around regarding the economic impact. I wonder how many jobs will be lost, directly and indirectly.

Jobs may have been lost but residents/fans are now going to have more money to spend elsewhere too. Attending games wasn't cheap.

roger wyoming II wrote:

jstriebel wrote:They did us wrong yesterday. But in doing so, they only further cemented the things I already felt about them. They're a terrible and greedy organization (or league of organizations) and they are not interested in the betterment of the cities that play host to them.

NFL did us a favor by handling this so poorly... it's allowed us to get over the decision so easily and move on.

Yup. They really yanked that bandage off, didn't they? We could have gone through a long, drawn-out process that would have ended up the same anyway.

This gave me the chills.

Video: Blues Fans Chant "KROENKE SUCKS" at Scottrade last night.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/1/1 ... oenke-rams

absolutely sick. i don't want to caught up in the speculation of did the NFL and NFL owners "dupe" us or did they not. However, I am very uncomfortable watching Kroenke try and explain the move to LA but stepping around the pure fact that it was done to just make more money..and I'm a business owner. The other major issue I'm having right now is dealing with the fact Kroenke didn't actually acknowledge or thank the St. Louis fans, nor did the NFL, and Mayor Slay, whom I don't often agree with, pointed this out. That doesn't set well with me. I vigorously thank my clients for letting me serve them. I believe truly appreciating your clientele means a lot.

I'll never watch NFL again for how they treated St. Louis and the fix absolutely was in the moment Kroenke bought the team in 2010. I'll take great joy in hearing about any lockouts lawsuits and labor disputes as time goes on and hopefully maybe one day the death of the league itself. I hope Kroenke Goodell Demoff Jerry Jones Eric Grubman all die of natural causes, just living long enough to see the NFL die and I hope the NFL dies very soon.

moorlander wrote:Jobs may have been lost but residents/fans are now going to have more money to spend elsewhere too. Attending games wasn't cheap.

I'm going to Florida next fall to spend it there. Also, I might think about driving to an Indy game or Nashville. Not a big hockey fan and I already buy Cards tickets, so probably won't spend it in the City.

So I know this is all water under the bridge at this point but I was just thinking over the whole negotiating the "tier 1" dome lease loophole that Stan Donkey took advantage off in his ultimate goal to move the Rams to L.A. What if we, and when I say we I mean the CVC, the city, the state or whomever necessary, had called Donkey's bluff. Think about it. Per the now infamous lease agreement we (CVC) were required to negotiate an agreement on being in the top what 5 - 10% of the league. We proposed somewhere around $200.000 and the rams countered with $700.000. So here's the thing. I know the CVC didn't have that kind of jack to invest in the dome. Furthermore I believe there was consternation of taking over 500,000 square feet of convention space off the books for two years. But what if... What if the CVC had somehow been able to agree to those terms. At $700,000+ dollars was there no way that the city, state and county could have restructured the bonds the same way or even some other way just as they did to come up with financing for a 1.1 billion dollar riverfront stadium. Would $700,000 not have been enough to count as a new stadium investment and therefore been eligible for NFL matching money? And if we had somehow miraculously been able to pull all that off, would Stan have been forced into keeping the Rams here or would it ultimately have been only another stop gap until he got the chance to exploit the next loophole and high tail it out of town?

jstriebel wrote:I'm super strong in my belief that St. Louis can be better than ever without the NFL.

I agree with you 1000%. But the naysayers get in the way in St. Louis.

Nonetheless, I think so many people are pissed off by Kroenke and the NFL that St. Louis will come out stronger. When you take something personal, you fight. And if you piss St. Louis off, she usually comes out swinging and the Spirit of St. Louis rises. This has been my experience all of my life. St. Louis can be a difficult place socially (particularly in regard to race relations), but if you piss off the region, its denizens will show you its best.

The region has had a really tough couple of years, so I hope people (everyone) realize that actions like these by the NFL is a diss on EVERYONE in the region. Remember "Boston Strong". How about "St. Louis Strong"? Have banners hanging off the EJD, from downtown buildings, in Clayton, Midtown, CWE, the Medical Centers, retail and restaurant windows, etc.

Show the world that St. Louis is okay and she is strong. Boston did it.

Further, L.A. survived without football for 21 year. The second largest city in America was okay. St. Louis was okay for seven years without the NFL. It will be okay without it -again - for twenty or more. Look at places like Austin, Columbus, OH and Portland, while St. Louis doubles their populations, they are THRIVING without the NFL. These are considered livable cities.

St. Louis needs to do the work.

jstriebel wrote:But I was sad last night. I cried. I'm sad this morning. The fact that I finally wrote off the NFL from my life 6 weeks ago doesn't change that I spent almost 21 years invested in it.

It was a punch in the gut. It felt like an attack or an assault (a rape) of St. Louis. Why is my city picked on? What is the problem with St. Louis? Trust me, the problem isn't St. Louis. This was a gang-rape by the greedy NFL owners. They were liars who are full of chicanery and shenanigans.

This is the way I describe things. Kroneke was the Defensive Coordinator. The JJ Watt (Texans) was the NFL and the St. Louis RSA was on the offense. The offense (St. Louis) fumbled, recovered the fumble, got to the Red Zone, but couldn't get the ball into the end zone because of JJ Watt (NFL).

St. Louis tried. Peacock worked his ass off and because of that, I'm grateful. St. Louis did not roll over and die. Peacock and his team played Chess well. I'm proud of them guys. Really. And believe it or not, I'm proud of Mayor Slay's response.

Vent your frustration by doing something positive to elevate St. Louis. Donate to the National Blues Museum, a local charity or cause, pick up trash at Tower Grove Park or Citygarden or you can avoid shopping at one Kroenke's (THF Realty) local retail power centers.

FrankRider wrote:And if we had somehow miraculously been able to pull all that off, would Stan have been forced into keeping the Rams here or would it ultimately have been only another stop gap until he got the chance to exploit the next loophole and high tail it out of town?

It wouldn't have even taken a loophole. The Rams lease was only through 2024. Accepting the arbitration result and investing in the $700 million worth of upgrades would have only meant keeping that part of the lease in tact.

So in 2024 he would have weaseled his way out of here.