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Mound City wrote:

MarkHaversham wrote:

Mound City wrote: It's not really about "priorities." I'm compelled to ask: what specifically about St. Louis makes this place a priority for you? I could be mistaken, but unless your answer involves things that are truly irreplaceable and personal to you (all my business contacts are here, all my best friends from childhood are here, I want to be closer to my family, I've already put down roots and my kids love their school, etc.), then I predict that those same things can be found, in spades, in a plethora of other nearby cities.

The difference is those cities will probably also have an NFL team.

You could say basically the same thing about any city on earth. Replacing "NFL team" with whatever other particular fixation someone might have.

That's fair.

If I'm still living here next fall/winter, it's gonna be damn depressing and boring for me in St. Louis.

Some might argue that's better than the damn depressing and wasteful winters that football has been bringing us for so long.

I'm a recent empty nester and my wife and I go to about 10 Cards games per year, and at least 8 Rams games. We did the downtown living tour this year and looked at condos midway between the stadiums -- it would be exciting to live downtown and walk to either place. I was starting to bring my wife around to the idea of living downtown. Next month we're going to Florida for a rare winter vacation near where her Mother lives. She now wants to look at places there for retirement instead of downtown. With our favorite entertainment options cut in half in St. Louis, the beach between Jacksonville and Daytona is looking more and more attractive.

It's nothing but misplaced anger to start pointing fingers at those of us here who were opposed to the stadium and saying we're rejoicing in others grief.

I'm happy a boondoggle stadium won't be built.

I will personally find a blessing in no longer having a sport and league that I believe to be morally bankrupt in my home town.

But I'm not happy anyone is losing their team. That's a preposterous and offensive claim. Believe me, I understand that attachment that comes with our sports teams. I'm not celebrating anyone's grief.

Be mad at the right people.

jstriebel wrote:

gary kreie wrote:I'm a recent empty nester and my wife and I go to about 10 Cards games per year, and at least 8 Rams games. We did the downtown living tour this year and looked at condos midway between the stadiums -- it would be exciting to live downtown and walk to either place. I was starting to bring my wife around to the idea of living downtown. Next month we're going to Florida for a rare winter vacation near where her Mother lives. She now wants to look at places there for retirement instead of downtown. With our favorite entertainment options cut in half in St. Louis, the beach between Jacksonville and Daytona is looking more and more attractive.

Gary, I'm sorry to hear that you and your wife might relocate from St. Louis.

I think it is unlikely we'll find a population trend that correlates with the presence (or lack thereof) of an NFL football team.

I have one problem. Jacksonville Metro ranks much worse than St. Louis metro for crime at #81. But fortunately, if you live in the city limits of Jacksonville, it ranks a lot safer than St. Louis City in the city crime rankings, at number 135. So I would need to make sure I live within the city limits there, right, and hope they don't annex any of their crime-riddled suburbs. Is that the correct interpretation?

Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeBR 12m12 minutes ago
#NFL LA committee met for 3 hours last night. Is expected to recommend Carson site for approval, source said. #Rams #Raiders #Chargers

^Reading between the lines - the Committee will recommend Carson, but the full group of owners might still vote for Inglewood

^ However, everyone has been reporting that Carson has a lot more votes than Inglewood.

LA Committee is pretty worthless if owners vote opposite. What's the point of the committee then. Not to mention it seems the committee already failed by letting it get to the point where three teams files for relocation. It should have been sorted out before the filing date.

^I think its going to be close. Yesterday's LA Times (perhaps biased) article was about growing momentum for the Chargers and Rams to be in Inglewood.

^ It might be something Jerry Jones is pushing on behalf of his buddy but I think that is the extent of it. But on the opposite end as reported by biz journal quoting Chargers special counsel that Chargers will not go to Inglewood. I think the best option by far Charges is a no vote or hung jury. It allows the San Diego June vote to happen/City and Spanos to bury the hatchet if the vote is yes as well as give time for Raiders to get their act together/finalize financing on Carson if the vote is no.

I think Stan's play via Jerry Jones was a mistake if he indeed could have made the play directly and sooner. Remember Inglewood is a part of bigger development play that Stan K doesn't have full say on. Only the property on which the stadium will sit on is his. Which goes back to why would Charges want to be second fiddle. Its the worse of three options. Especially if they wait one more year.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morn ... -rams.html

With the NFL owners gathered to meet in Houston, the San Diego Chargers reiterated on Monday that they have "zero interest" in teaming with the Stan Kroenke and the Rams on a stadium in the Los Angeles market.

Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani told USA Today that the team previously "made clear in writing" that it was not interested in Kroenke's planned NFL stadium in Inglewood "and nothing has changed since then."

With the NFL owners gathered to meet in Houston, the San Diego Chargers reiterated on Monday that they have "zero interest" in teaming with the Stan Kroenke and the Rams on a stadium in the Los Angeles market.

Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani told USA Today that the team previously "made clear in writing" that it was not interested in Kroenke's planned NFL stadium in Inglewood "and nothing has changed since then."

I would like to trust this, but it could also be a ploy by Spanos to get more out of a deal with Kroenke at Inglewood.

On the other side, I believe that the Chargers and the Raiders entered into some sort of legal agreement in regards to Carson. So if one backs out of that to go with Kroenke, there could be repercussions.

roger wyoming II wrote:But I do hope they are allowed to leave rather than being forced to come back here unwillingly for another cruel year or two before they move elsewhere.

My dream is that that the Rams lose the vote and are forced to come back here. Then Peacock and the city wad up the stadium plan and tell him to shove it up his a**.

I think the issue will probably be decided by how strong Kroenke's smaller coalition can hold together... by all accounts he has fewer supporters than Spanos but more than enough to block his opponents and force Spanos to the table if it holds. However, if Kroenke only has rather soft support I can see the Carson plan winning out and things get done this week. It probably will take some time for Kroenke and Spanos to come to terms (and figure out how to pay off Davis) if that is where things are headed, so maybe a final vote on that at the scheduled February owners meeting.

My dream is that the Rams lose the vote, then rather than face the humiliation of returning, Stan sells the team to the Taylor family.

He's got the loud voices on his side (Goodell, Grubman, Jerry Jones), but we might underestimate the fact that many of the other owners just don't like Kronke for:
- Bucking the ownership rules
- Moving ahead to LA on his own
- Paying for his own stadium without much public help (sets a bad precedent) and,
- Just being downright unlikeable, not "one of the boys"

This should be interesting.

gary kreie wrote: I have one problem. Jacksonville Metro ranks much worse than St. Louis metro for crime at #81. But fortunately, if you live in the city limits of Jacksonville, it ranks a lot safer than St. Louis City in the city crime rankings, at number 135. So I would need to make sure I live within the city limits there, right, and hope they don't annex any of their crime-riddled suburbs. Is that the correct interpretation?

Yes, this logic checks out.

I understand this is all speculation based on sources, but PFT reports that Spanos can block Inglewood, in order to force StanK to go to Carson for a TRUE partnership, rather than one that puts StanK in the lead role. Then Davis would be taken care of to end their partnership. Supposedly, this might have been the motivation of Spanos & Davis all along. A beneficial "partnership", that forces StanK to play nice with Dean, while at the same time lining MD's pockets. Either way, Spanos and Iger were going to have to do all of the legwork for Carson, no matter if StanK or Davis go with him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... with-rams/

This article tries to point out the fact that StanK going back to the poisoned well that is STL, is not a possibility. Could that push him to go rogue? That is a real possibility.

Regarding the vote itself, I was thinking. Wouldn't it be better for Shad Kahn to vote in favor of a Rams move, in case he needs leverage to build a new stadium in JAX or actually wants to secretly move the Jags to STL? Seems logical. Then again, maybe he is still bitter that StanK swooped in at the 11th hour to take the Rams from his grips. Never know!