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I'll put myself out there. I'm against this.

Whooooooo parking. All the parking for your suburban heart's content, right in the heart of downtown.

Also, the line of buildings on Broadway. Tough sh*t for them? Absolutely ridiculous to spout the "we b makin jobs jobs jobs jobs" when you are demolishing the jobs and buildings that have stuck it out through the worst. Go f yourself.

For what? A couple hundred parking spaces? For some people that will high-tail it back to the TGI Fridays/Buffalo Wild Wings anchoring the strip mall in St. Peters?

Jobs my ass.

Ridiculous, harmful, and I hope this doesn't get built.

St. Louisans are cheap. Rather than paying $30 to park a car, expect people to park at Metrolink stations, ride downtown, and walk from Laclede's Landing Station. They do that now for baseball games. But plenty will still pay to park close and tailgate. Maybe that's how they justify only building 10,000 spaces instead of the 15,000 they'd need at a suburban, non-transit accessible site.

it's about tail-gating...hence the surface lots. The NFL is losing live attendance and has figured ou that providing a massive tailgating scene keeps people coning to the games....remember, everything in this plan is aimed at pleasing the NFL

Personally, I love how projects like this bring out the true colors in people.

Raging debates about the value of the riverfront, historic preservation, sports, football, public financing, safety in the scary city, on and on.

The entertainment value alone is worth the price of admission!

As for Aesir, your emotional rant has some holes in it...For one, how is the North Riverfront doing right now? Shall we just sit back and keep waiting for some organic, home-grown renaissance there...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.

Keep waiting!!!!

Save Al's!

Would this new stadium be a renaissance though? Why do we need a sea of parking so people can tailgate 8 Saturdays a year?

Some respectable voices in the community are coming out in opposition to this announcement.

Will suburbanites and their football parties reign supreme in deciding what happens along the riverfront?

Who's going on the record supporting this project? The location appears to be mostly in the city's 5th ward. Whose ward is that?

My initial 2 cents:

Howzabout moving the stadium just a bit north and saving those magnificent warehouses just east of the powerplant; also, the old buildings on Broadway between Dickson and Florida. So maybe 2500 spots are foregone to save some precious, vanishing "first 150 years" St. Louis history, while still making plenty of new. You can ditch the new glass construction pictured and get some of those needed spots back if you'd like. Get even more if you move the jail and those tanks between the site and the bridge. Why not? What's another 100m or so at this point? And is there a walking connection along 2nd to the Casino/Landing/Metro/Arch. I can't tell from the myriad of initial drawings.

That said, I'm pretty much floored by the swimming-in-the river design with the translucent upper deck?! Thumbs up! And the rehab and reuse of the powerhouse was unexpected by myself and much appreciated.

I know this is anything but what we might actually see constructed, but we could do a lot worse. Maybe we could do better, too.

Northside Neighbor wrote:Some respectable voices in the community are coming out in opposition to this announcement.

Who?

KerrytheKonstructor wrote:My initial 2 cents:

Howzabout moving the stadium just a bit north and saving those magnificent warehouses just east of the powerplant; also, the old buildings on Broadway between Dickson and Florida. So maybe 2500 spots are foregone to save some precious, vanishing "first 150 years" St. Louis history, while still making plenty of new. You can ditch the new glass construction pictured and get some of those needed spots back if you'd like. Get even more if you move the jail and those tanks between the site and the bridge. Why not? What's another 100m or so at this point? And is there a walking connection along 2nd to the Casino/Landing/Metro/Arch. I can't tell from the myriad of initial drawings.

That said, I'm pretty much floored by the swimming-in-the river design with the translucent upper deck?! Thumbs up! And the rehab and reuse of the powerhouse was unexpected by myself and much appreciated.

I know this is anything but what we might actually see constructed, but we could do a lot worse. Maybe we could do better, too.

I just tweeted something similar. Save the Stampworks Lofts, the North Broadway buildings and Al's, and incorporate the Laclede Power Building (the one GRG was going to use as a trailhead) into the stadium design.

What's the area been used for in the last 20 years and what proposals are on the table for future use other then the stadium? Look I understand saving buildings but not every damn building needs to be saved. Sure history shows who we are but we aren't and we will never been the city of the 1930s 1940s and 1950s. 90% of the buildings there aren't used and the area is on NOBODYS RADAR for anything ever.

What is it used for now?

Its used for parking. Why do you think nothing happens there? And its going to stay as parking with this plan. The majority of the buildings that are there currently are being used. Why do we need to replace them with a parking lot? That area is lifeless because its primarily empty lots and parking. Putting in one large stadium and tearing down the remaining buildings, isn't going to change the usefulness of that area (except for game days).

I'm not against the stadium itself. Having it right on the river and next to the powerhouse building will be great. But its not going to revitalize the north riverfront. Warehouses will not be rehabbed because of this. Who would do that for 8 games a year?

Of course the goal is to make it useful for more then 10 games a year (plus playoffs, so up to 12 in any given seasons). MLS home season is another 20 home games. And peacock did say that the land around it is open for devolopment

The Stamping Lofts were renovated with LIHTCs. That's going to make demoing that building interesting in and of itself.

Based on what I have seen, there is enough room between the Cotton Belt building and the River to fit the stadium. Put it there, leave all of the historic buildings, and create a true neighborhood. The see of parking in the renderings is a no go for me. Developers will jump all over the existing buildings, and parking will work itself out as it has already for the last 20 years.

^^I get the fact that the area is underutilized right now. We need to invest in the area. This stadium is good in that regard. I just don't think having a giant parking lot for tailgating is the right approach. I'm not saying no to the entire plan, just the monstrous amount of parking. That proposed lot is going in the wrong direction.

Most of that area has been parking lots until now which is exactly why its been underutilized.

debaliviere wrote:I just tweeted something similar. Save the Stampworks Lofts, the North Broadway buildings and Al's, and incorporate the Laclede Power Building (the one GRG was going to use as a trailhead) into the stadium design.

I see no reason why the Stampworks Lofts building itself can't be saved also (and preferably to myself, would be). I had actually forgotten about it.

So we could (and again,...preferable to myself,...should) have some very good bits of authentic history on two opposing corners of a modern marvel and still have 8000 or more tailgating spots, I'd guess.

Somewhat morosely, I wouldn't be surprised at all if none of this ever comes to be. Other than Stampworks and Bissingers, of course. How could I forget Stampworks?

The LIHTC recapture issue on Stamping Lofts/FarmWorks can be settled with a lot of $$$$, or "jack", as Kroenke likes to call it.

These #STLNFL plans are pretty impressive. At least impressive enough to get Stan's attention long enough to try his pre-emptive issuance of a single artist drawing with a swimming pool and some kind of roof in the background. I don't recall seeing a football field anywhere in his artists conception. You'd think with his kind of money, he could get at least one artist to work overtime for him. I like what Peacock has done here. The plans appear to be advanced and serious.

where is the stampworks lofts