urbanSTL

I don't think anyone would care about the parking if the proposal was out in the burbs and didn't require demo of some pretty coool buildings.

What recourse to the property owners have here?

Have they been interviewed at all?!?!

dweebe wrote:

Aesir wrote:

downtown2007 wrote:What's going to happen to Al's?

Demolished. Because f*** the people that are there, we want our tailgating.

Because Al's is a historically and architecturally significant building of great beauty. [/sarcasm]

Get up there and tell the property owners that you deserve a tailgating spot on their property.

I'll wait.

They have "potential", but I don't know about it being "high".

Residential conversions with a train slicing through? I don't think so.

Plus, it seems as if at least part of the stadium would need the easternmost warehouse.

I say dump them.

Addendum: Hopefully, they could work the LaClede Power Building into the stadium's design. The rest of those suckers can die.

Strange donuts to buy Rams?

http://40southnews.com/strange-donuts-m ... -the-rams/

I think it was Wendy Wiese who pointed said when a movie fails, nobody says its because the fans are just bad. Only the NFL.

juiceinkirkwood wrote:"This would be a shame, there are some kewl urbanified buildings there" .... that will never be revitalized and will continue to be a blighted mess full of dead bodies. I parked around some of those cool buildings last Rams game I went to and came out and had my door handle destroyed by someone who broke into my car.

Guys, that area has been a blighted mess for how long now? How much longer do we wait for this area to be revitalized on it's own? In other words, how long before it's okay to create some parking structures and an NFL stadium? 10 more years? 20?

There's something to that. The problem is, if the stadium is dead 90% of the year, is it really an improvement worth spending several hundred million dollars? We could use that money for some other concept that would retain urban connectivity and create development opportunities. I don't have any problem blowing up old buildings, but only if they're being replaced with something better.

Wasn't there expected to be a mixed use or retail component? Something that would make it active other than game days?

Where will Stan build his Walmart?

Also, did one of the drawings have a proposed tower built in front of the current dome?!

^ lot of the other bells and whistles within the stadium are up to the Owner(stan) and if he wants to pay up for those. And I think Peacock said they are open to stan developing the surrounding area

I would imagine they've made contact will all land owners down there and feel confident this can be done

Here are the modifications I would make if I had any say in the matter. This design is focused on retaining the majority of buildings worth renovation.

Sites outlined in blue can either be redeveloped or developed into whatever is found most appropriate; ie. recreational facilities, entertainment/eateries, hospitality, etc. The structured parking would remain in the same relative areas.

Notes: The building at the NE corner of Collins and Cass would remain. Additionally, if possible, the building on the SE corner of Dickson and Lewis would be incorporated into the side of the stadium structure.

Maybe I'm stupid to even waste my time on such a pipe dream and of course I am not an expert in stadium or urban design, so maybe this is all unfeasible.

Pardon the MSPaint skills.
stadium1 by halk52, on Flickr

I do believe the parking as rendered is in part a place holder to put the focus on the stadium itself as well as just as much for the NFL/Rams etc.. The potential is there as most everyone on the thread he sees it and Halk has outlined above. I have no doubt that potential will be seen even more so if a local owners group with the right people behind become involved or at least listened too. (not McKee - the rendering shows exactly where he is at with the bottleworks from day one, a pay off). I total agree the non connectivity to Lacledes Landing would be a huge mistake and leveling Broadway for the goofy rendering/connection/walkway to convention center would be just as a big of mistake.

But have to put this proposal and associate renderings in context. It is about keeping an NFL in St. Louis at end of day and I think Peacock did a good job in putting this together in short order. I think we have to admit reality for that moment that St. Louis and region is really a stagnant growth area. The idea that you would show this site to be a more of a land development deal with multiple mixed use, trafficked areas instead of a stadium would be a big mistake at this moment.

^ Amen to the last post. Here it is less than 24 hours in, and people are already redesigning the project before we've heard any comment about from the NFL or the Rams. This effort is not about historic preservation. It's about NFL preservation in STL.

If keeping STL in the ranks of NFL cities means losing ten or something old buildings, is it worth it? Would you want to do it?

If those buildings can be saved as part of a larger project, great. But we don't need another BPV. We don't need the shiny object over there (other developments") distracting from what is really being sold - a stadium deal.

In the case of BPV, we got took. We all did. The Cards sold a shiny object with cool renderings (BPV), and then built a parking lot and TV bar.

At least these stadium promoters are being open re. their parking lot plan.

Good posts from both Northside Neighbor and Halk. I think there are some really easy preservation moves that can be made and, if the City wants to make up the lost parking, they should move the workhouse and clear that out for parking.

I hope the NFL is going to stick by its bylaws and treat this proposal and STL with the respect they deserve.

In the end Kroenke could end up selling both the Rams and (once fully entitled or constructed) the stadium in LA. He could walk away from all of this with over $2 billion in the bank ready to buy the Broncos when and if they ever go up for sale. Shows the value of taking action and keeping your mouth shut.