I thought it was a pretty obvious joke making fun of those that complained about the Eagleton Courthouse.
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One of the attorneys where I work complained to me that his drive on eastbound 40 (to a ballgame or downtown event) was ruined by the Eagleton courthouse's blocking the view of the Arch. Sadly, he wasn't joking.
^Sadly, that doesn't surprise me, from what I've heard about them.
I don't hate people who say that. The Arch is an icon and point of pride. People want to see it, and places that offer views are better for it. Besides, to make that complaint, at least you have to be coming downtown, which is worth something.
I don't hate people who say that either, but I hate it when people say that.
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I, for one, think the statement that the Arch views should not be obstructed from some random vantage point (such as traveling on eastbound 40) is ridiculous. Did we not eviscerate downtown to provide a vista of the Arch with the Gateway Mall? There are plenty of points at which to see the Arch in the City, even with new highrise construction over the past 30 years. Personally, it is more exciting for me to see a collection of highrises with the Arch peeking out behind than it is to see a bare skyline utterly dominated and even diminished by the Arch.
Matt Drops The H wrote: Did we not eviscerate downtown to provide a vista of the Arch with the Gateway Mall? .
Ooooh, eviscerate -- perfect term.
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Ooooh, eviscerate -- perfect term.
His Jesuit education is serving him well.
Well, he was an English major. Don't expect all of us to use fancy terms like that.
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MattnSTL wrote:Well, he was an English major. Don't expect all of us to use fancy terms like that.
The efficacy of colloquialism is indefatigable. I must confess that I am endlessly fettered by my verbosity.
There was a great photo in Tuesday's Post Dispatch showing the entire old/new stadium area from the top of the Eagleton Courthouse. You can really get a good feel for how Ballpark Village will fit in. It's a much larger area than I realized.
"yea, but, who in god's name would want to live there?" as my teacher said yesterday. 
How can such great people, he really is a good guy, be so arrogant when it comes to judging the city?
How can such great people, he really is a good guy, be so arrogant when it comes to judging the city?Well to be fair, it might not have been a comment about city living as much as living next to the ballpark. In the same way that living on the Landing would not be for everyone, living next to a ballpark where crowds of 30,000+ show up 81 times a year, mill around, chear, be loud, drink, drive, and any more problems you can think of would not be something alot of people would want to live next too. I am confident there are plenty of people who would want to do it, but I myself am not certian that regardless of how "cool" it might seem, I would want that hastle 81 summer nights.
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Dude are you crazy it would be awesome to live right next to Busch stadium. That would be so cool you could go to games all the time.
Call me crazy all you want, but the fact is that different people value different things. IN my mind, the fun of going to games every night might wear off, and the struggles of living in such a fun area might get tiresome. Living in the middle of a party sceen is not for everyone.
That is what is so exciting about downtown. People are going to have options whether it be a finished condo or a loft or living next to the stadium. All of it is great and if one options isn't for you then there are choices which is completely new to St. Louis.
I would love to live in BPV. I'm putting money in my piggy bank now hoping I'll have enough in two years to get one.
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I agree that not everyone would want to live in the Ballpark Village, just like everyone wouldn't want to live in Sun City West, Arizona(bad example). It's a matter of taste IMO.
I would love to live there, it will definitely be a very exciting place to be especially on gamedays. What is needed is a CID to cover garbage pickup and street cleaning around Busch after games. Part of the agreement to add more Cub night games in Chicago makes the baseball club pay the City to supplement garbage pickups after night games in the area. It'd be nice if the Cards would help supplement garbage pickup around their new ballpark, especially for all the new neighbors they'll have. There is nothing more disgusting than going thru the parking lots the day after a game and see all of the litter and garbage left behind. Even worse a lot doesn't get picked up by the parking lot owners.
I would love to live there, it will definitely be a very exciting place to be especially on gamedays. What is needed is a CID to cover garbage pickup and street cleaning around Busch after games. Part of the agreement to add more Cub night games in Chicago makes the baseball club pay the City to supplement garbage pickups after night games in the area. It'd be nice if the Cards would help supplement garbage pickup around their new ballpark, especially for all the new neighbors they'll have. There is nothing more disgusting than going thru the parking lots the day after a game and see all of the litter and garbage left behind. Even worse a lot doesn't get picked up by the parking lot owners.
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Good point. I understand that someone might be turned off by the baseball scene, but this guy is just plain anti-city. He lives in O'Fallon and to him, pretty much anywhere inside 270 makes him feel uncomfortable. But I guess that's what happens when you're born into a lifestyle that moves west everytime there is a newer, "better" development
Good point. I understand that someone might be turned off by the baseball scene, but this guy is just plain anti-city. He lives in O'Fallon and to him, pretty much anywhere inside 270 makes him feel uncomfortable. But I guess that's what happens when you're born into a lifestyle that moves west everytime there is a newer, "better" development
Fair enough Ucityman, I was just trying to throw out an explanation with admittedly no idea about the person's feelings. It's sad that he feels that way, but to each his own.
I also think there will be a fair amount of residences bought that aren't lived in all year long. With some of our more fortunate residences buying apartments in those towers so they have a place to go pre and post games, and have parties during the season.
It was recently announced that Cordish was named to develop the area around the new baseball stadium in DC. STL is much further ahead in the process. But, I bring it up because Cordish is really making a name for themselves with this type of development. This is good because they obviously have connections with the type of retail everyone is looking for at the STL Ballpark Village.