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urban_dilettante wrote:good entrances? you can walk into the park from pretty much anywhere along its perimeter if you're able to make it across the road/highway alive. taking it down to 2 lanes would absolutely make a huge difference. the narrower the road, the easier (less expensive) it is to build crossing infrastructure. 4 lanes + turn lane? no, probably not a huge difference. there should AT LEAST be substantial pedestrian crossings with curb bump-outs at every block.

i mean, all you have to do is go to any city with decent pedestrian infrastructure to feel the difference first hand.

Be careful you might get called cynical by some elderly person who has no principles, visions, or beliefs if you point out basic things that this city completely and utterly fails on for no reason other than it's own lack of will to be better.

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JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

3:09 PM - Sep 25

This isn’t true. Most of the CWE lost convenient access to the park when the Victorian bridge over FPP was murdered by traffic violence. And the morons who run the park have placed ZERO priority on getting the bridge replaced.

Wydown-Skinker is the only neighborhood with good access and even there you have to contend with a street that’s way to wide and speeds that are way too high

i'm not understanding this comment and the one following. you seem to be talking about having to cross roads and bridges to get to the park, which is the same point i was making. i was saying that once you make it to the sidewalk *on the same side of the street as the park*, you can literally walk right into the park. you don't need a designated "entrance" (as tztag seemed to be suggesting).

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

2:31 PM - Sep 25

ah, yes, lots of cars driving fast

This is a very St. Louis conversation.

First you post a good picture/perspective of something new then wait for the "Christ, this City sucks" posts. Meanwhile, outsiders wouldn't see anything particularly wrong with the image of a new high-rise on a nice evening with traffic on a major thoroughfare (a sight that's common in big cities around the world where it's rare to see in St. Louis).

Improvements to pedestrian connections to Forest Park will eventually be made. Notice how pedestrian infrastructure is slowly improving across the City. This stuff takes time and uses money that isn't plentiful. Kingshighway's time for a reimagining will occur at some point, but that time isn't now nor would an overhaul resemble anything like Tower Grove or North Grand have/are receiving. I'll take the incremental improvements St. Louis is seeing anyway because they'll slowly form better networks.

kg2024 wrote: ↑

3:43 PM - Sep 25

No, the bridge that was demolished over FPP is this one:Screenshot 2026-09-25 104106.png
The historic Wabash iron truss bridge is alive and well to the east of the demo'd bridge, its just closed off now because it is a dead end.wabash bridge.jpg

kg2024, i really appreciate the specifics here.  I used that historic Wabash bridge to get into FP daily for years and was very sad when they closed that route. I mistakenly thought it was the historic bridge they demoed. Great to hear that's not the case but then again, no plans to re-open that route into the park is just dumb.

I'm tripling down on adding ornamental, cool-looking pedestrian bridges to get into FP.  Something inspired by Bob Cassily! We're not going to win the battle vs roads and cars.  Just work around it.  

Btw, nearly killed yesterday walking across Lindell at Euclid.  Daily occurrence.

Not to be glib but I also cross Lindell at Euclid or Taylor almost daily and haven't felt like I'm about to lose my life on a constant basis. I'm def in favor of every traffic calming measure possible but for me its not quite that bad. 

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

4:36 PM - Sep 26

Not to be glib but I also cross Lindell at Euclid or Taylor almost daily and haven't felt like I'm about to lose my life on a constant basis. I'm def in favor of every traffic calming measure possible but for me its not quite that bad. 

Maybe I walk too slowly? LOL.  I'm not exaggerating all that much.

When I walk south/north on Euclid, crossing at Lindell,  the cars that nearly take out pedestrians are almost always traveling south on Euclid making a left onto eastbound Lindell. 

pdm_ad wrote: ↑

1:04 AM - Sep 26

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

2:31 PM - Sep 25

ah, yes, lots of cars driving fast

DrivingFast.jpg

so because rush hour happens for like an hour per day, there aren't 6 lanes of fast-moving traffic the rest of the time? IMO it's just weird to romanticize a 6-lane car sewer as somehow enviable or impressive. nobody is looking at that and thinking "wow, look at that highway. i wanna live there."