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"But let's face it: there's nothing to do down there. You can't get a bite to eat, you can't stick around and have a cocktail and enjoy it on a patio. There's no pavilion, there's no European-style gathering spot. We need to have places that allow you to stick around and stay for a while and really enjoy.”

You get one guess as to who this quote is from.

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Metro is moving its Transit Access Center for disabled/elderly to apply for passes from 8th & Pine to the North County Transit Center, ya know the one in the former car dearlership along I-270: https://www.metrostlouis.org/nextstop/t ... it-center/

Absolute garbage agency. 

1) Why on earth would this not be at a MetroLink station??

2) Is rent really that high? I guess another empty storefront that has no business being empty? Geez.

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Downtown St. Louis development plan falls short as Missouri lawmakers adjourn

ST. LOUIS – A proposal that sought to convert empty office buildings in downtown St. Louis into residential and retail spaces fell short of the governor’s desk as Missouri lawmakers adjourned for the year Thursday.

Senate Bill 35, sponsored by State Rep. Steven Roberts (D-St. Louis), aimed to create the the “Revitalizing Missouri Downtowns and Main Streets Act.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... =1&wcseo=1

Truly ***** these people

Yep.  Even though STL and the Metro provide the state the most money.

matguy70 wrote: ↑

7:44 PM - 22 days ago

The legislation proposed authorizing up to $50 million per year in tax credits to support the renovation and rehabilitation of blighted properties, specifically along Main Streets and in the heart of downtowns across the state.

The bill drew some bipartisan support and cleared the Senate before reaching a House Economic Development Committee hearing, but ultimately failed to gain enough momentum before the state’s legislative session ended

What does 'enough momentum' even mean when it just wasn't voted on? Someone didn't want to pick it up from their desk, read it, and give an opinion or what?

Isn't this article from last year, also? It says 5/16/25.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

8:03 PM - 22 days ago

matguy70 wrote: ↑

7:44 PM - 22 days ago

The legislation proposed authorizing up to $50 million per year in tax credits to support the renovation and rehabilitation of blighted properties, specifically along Main Streets and in the heart of downtowns across the state.

The bill drew some bipartisan support and cleared the Senate before reaching a House Economic Development Committee hearing, but ultimately failed to gain enough momentum before the state’s legislative session ended

What does 'enough momentum' even mean when it just wasn't voted on? Someone didn't want to pick it up from their desk, read it, and give an opinion or what?

Isn't this article from last year, also? It says 5/16/25.

Oh wow. I just saw someone share it. I assumed it was recent. Yes, hopefully these is wrong. 

That’s last years bill

This years is going to the senate floor this coming week

Also, I know the media has latched on to the $50 million office-to-residential because it’s easy to explain to the audience, but that part of the bill doesn’t matter. Even if that passed as a standalone, it wouldn’t move forward any downtown project. That part had been rolled into the bigger incentive bill (the Governor’s office has stripped out some parts) and also the MOSEDA bill (it built Ballpark Village by allowing 85% of state sales and income tax generated on-site to pay bonds). That program stopped taking new projects in 2013, and this looks to extend it to include the Millennium project and the rest of BPV. If this does not pass, there is no Millennium project. So keep an eye on HB3231, that’s what the Senate is going to try to adapt because all these things have been rolled into it.

https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3231

dbInSouthCity wrote:That’s last years bill

This years is going to the senate floor this coming week

Also, I know the media has latched on to the $50 million office-to-residential because it’s easy to explain to the audience, but that part of the bill doesn’t matter. Even if that passed as a standalone, it wouldn’t move forward any downtown project. That part had been rolled into the bigger incentive bill (the Governor’s office has stripped out some parts) and also the MOSEDA bill (it built Ballpark Village by allowing 85% of state sales and income tax generated on-site to pay bonds). That program stopped taking new projects in 2013, and this looks to extend it to include the Millennium project and the rest of BPV. If this does not pass, there is no Millennium project. So keep an eye on HB3231, that’s what the Senate is going to try to adapt because all these things have been rolled into it.

https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3231

So what your saying is that BPV3 and Millennium is entirely dependent on the state legislature doing a smart thing and then the governor signing that smart thing into law?

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dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

11:14 PM - 22 days ago

That’s last years bill

This years is going to the senate floor this coming week

Also, I know the media has latched on to the $50 million office-to-residential because it’s easy to explain to the audience, but that part of the bill doesn’t matter. Even if that passed as a standalone, it wouldn’t move forward any downtown project. That part had been rolled into the bigger incentive bill (the Governor’s office has stripped out some parts) and also the MOSEDA bill (it built Ballpark Village by allowing 85% of state sales and income tax generated on-site to pay bonds). That program stopped taking new projects  in 2013, and this looks to extend it to include the Millennium project and the rest of BPV. If this does not pass, there is no Millennium project. So keep an eye on HB3231, that’s what the Senate is going to try to adapt because all these things have been rolled into it.

https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3231

So it sounds like millennium could still end up as a surface lot…

I thought things were more of a done deal than that.. I guess not.

jshank83 wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

11:14 PM - 22 days ago

That’s last years bill

This years is going to the senate floor this coming week

Also, I know the media has latched on to the $50 million office-to-residential because it’s easy to explain to the audience, but that part of the bill doesn’t matter. Even if that passed as a standalone, it wouldn’t move forward any downtown project. That part had been rolled into the bigger incentive bill (the Governor’s office has stripped out some parts) and also the MOSEDA bill (it built Ballpark Village by allowing 85% of state sales and income tax generated on-site to pay bonds). That program stopped taking new projects  in 2013, and this looks to extend it to include the Millennium project and the rest of BPV. If this does not pass, there is no Millennium project. So keep an eye on HB3231, that’s what the Senate is going to try to adapt because all these things have been rolled into it.

https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3231

So it sounds like millennium could still end up as a surface lot…

I thought things were more of a done deal than that.. I guess not.

Surface lot is an improvement over the two circular hotel towers

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From last month

StlAlex wrote: ↑

2:20 AM - 22 days ago

Surface lot is an improvement over the two circular hotel towers

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Absolutely not!  

As PD wraps up its downtown series today

framer wrote:

StlAlex wrote: ↑

2:20 AM - 22 days ago

Surface lot is an improvement over the two circular hotel towers

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Absolutely not!  

Yes, it actually is. Neither of those buildings were ever going to be used again. A prerequisite to any new development was and always would be demolishing them. Even if Cordish's plan doesn't come to fruition, ths site will be better off empty than filled with useless buildings.

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Those were prime examples of Mid-Century Modern architecture, and as such should have been preserved. Losing them is just as bad as losing all of the Victorian and 1920s era structures we lost decades earlier. I had grudgingly accepted the demo of the two hotel buildings in exchange for a new riverfront landmark, but now those plans seem to be in danger. 

Tastes change. Things that are dismissed as out-of-style today become much-loved treasures in later times. Will we never learn? 

framer wrote:Those were prime examples of Mid-Century Modern architecture, and as such should have been preserved. Losing them is just as bad as losing all of the Victorian and 1920s era structures we lost decades earlier. I had grudgingly accepted the demo of the two hotel buildings in exchange for a new riverfront landmark, but now those plans seem to be in danger. 

Tastes change. Things that are dismissed as out-of-style today become much-loved treasures in later times. Will we never learn? 

What is so hard to understand? Those buildings were never getting used again. It doesn't matter how pretty you think they were. They were poorly built, they were deteriorating, and their floorplates were inadequate for basically any alternative use than a hotel, and that was apparently even a stretch. On top of that, Millennium's land use was downright horrendous.

There was no future with those buildings, getting rid of them is always going to be an improvement.

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AGREE! What is so hard to understand? Those buildings were never getting used again. It doesn't matter how pretty you think they were. They were poorly built, they were deteriorating, and their floorplates were inadequate for basically any alternative use than a hotel, and that was apparently even a stretch. On top of that, Millennium's land use was downright horrendous.


There was no future with those buildings, getting rid of them is always going to be an improvement.

Kinda stinks that it seems like St.Louis’s future hinges on the state of Missouri doing the right thing…


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And Missouri’s future hinges on St Louis. We’re still Missouri’s cash cow, but for how much longer? Former Republican Missouri speaker Scott Faughn said on his show this morning, to his MAGA legislator buds, that their tax cuts to attract business have failed. Missouri is in an education rankings free-fall.


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