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soulardx wrote: ↑

2:01 PM - 9 days ago

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

1:56 PM - 9 days ago

^ I don’t think so as long as this is true

Also Chris brown and usher are coming to the Dome in July.  Another major concert in the works for the dome in Sept.

overlay the disposable income with age -- rather sure that STL is one of the older MSAs in the top 25.  So, if/when we drop out of the top 25, fewer shows that appeal to younger people, while nostalgia acts continue to make STL a stop.

Last year we had a sold out show with Kendrick and SZA. It was people of all ages and backgrounds.

goat314 wrote:

soulardx wrote: ↑

2:01 PM - 9 days ago

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

1:56 PM - 9 days ago

^ I don’t think so as long as this is true

Also Chris brown and usher are coming to the Dome in July.  Another major concert in the works for the dome in Sept.

overlay the disposable income with age -- rather sure that STL is one of the older MSAs in the top 25.  So, if/when we drop out of the top 25, fewer shows that appeal to younger people, while nostalgia acts continue to make STL a stop.

Last year we had a sold out show with Kendrick and SZA. It was people of all ages and backgrounds.

Zach Bryan had 2x sold out shows at Enterprise in 2024 and just had a sold out show at the Dome. Post Malone and Jelly Roll came last year, Billy Joel a couple years ago. ACDC is coming in September.

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For September, my bet is My Chemical Romance. 

I feel confident in my tour and event logistics knowledge to say that STL could end the decade as a favorite for big stadium tours. 
- Dome is about to receive a big investment from it's new private operator. 
- The new operator is going to be EXCEPTIONALLY better equipped to monitor artists/tours and sell the stadium. 
- Gateway Studio in Chesterfield is unmatched. I have heard this from multiple in the industry. The facility is high-quality and artists like the accessibility to Spirit of St. Louis Airport.  
- The $2.5M in ticket guarantees is innovative and is going to be lethal in the hands of Dome's private operator. 

dweebe wrote:Current/recent stadium tours that have bypassed St. Louis but have played other cities nearby:

• Taylor Swift
• Bruno Mars
• Ed Sheeran
• Foo Fighters
• Coldplay

(I would have put Morgan Wallen on the list. But not having him play here his last two tours is actually a good thing. He seems to like Kansas City more.)

Taylor Swift was always going to Kansas City on the Eras Tour for obvious reasons. She came on her last tour in 2018. Morgan Wallen had 2 shows in 2023. I think you're looking for things to be upset about.

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Taylor didn't know Travis when she went through KC. Unfortunately, Taylor's tour is one that STL had two chances to secure and couldn't. The first time lost out to Kansas City and the second time (extension of tour) to Indianapolis. Combination of things, The Eras Tour opted for more nights in fewer cities due to the stage and crew complexity. Then it comes down to population distribution and stadium tech.  

addxb2 wrote:Taylor didn't know Travis when she went through KC. Unfortunately, Taylor's tour is one that STL had two chances to secure and couldn't. The first time lost out to Kansas City and the second time (extension of tour) to Indianapolis. Combination of things, The Eras Tour opted for more nights in fewer cities due to the stage and crew complexity. Then it comes down to population distribution and stadium tech.  

Dang that tour went on for so long then lmao. According to Wikipedia, her 2018 show had ~11k fewer attendees in STL than in KC and ~7k fewer than Indianapolis and generated like $1.5 million less in revenue. Could be that STL just doesn't have as rich of a Taylor Swift fan base as KC or Indy.

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goat314 wrote: ↑

2:27 PM - 8 days ago

soulardx wrote: ↑

2:01 PM - 9 days ago

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

1:56 PM - 9 days ago

^ I don’t think so as long as this is true

Also Chris brown and usher are coming to the Dome in July.  Another major concert in the works for the dome in Sept.

overlay the disposable income with age -- rather sure that STL is one of the older MSAs in the top 25.  So, if/when we drop out of the top 25, fewer shows that appeal to younger people, while nostalgia acts continue to make STL a stop.

Last year we had a sold out show with Kendrick and SZA. It was people of all ages and backgrounds.

yep, and I still regret not going!   

I do want to underscore that I said *fewer* big shows if our MSA rank continues to slide, not none. At the same time, I realize an MSA's catchment area isn't the sole factor here, but I am saying it's the most important. 

dweebe wrote:

StlAlex wrote: ↑

3:46 PM - 8 days ago

dweebe wrote:Current/recent stadium tours that have bypassed St. Louis but have played other cities nearby:

• Taylor Swift
• Bruno Mars
• Ed Sheeran
• Foo Fighters
• Coldplay

(I would have put Morgan Wallen on the list. But not having him play here his last two tours is actually a good thing. He seems to like Kansas City more.)

Taylor Swift was always going to Kansas City on the Eras Tour for obvious reasons. She came on her last tour in 2018. Morgan Wallen had 2 shows in 2023. I think you're looking for things to be upset about.

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Sorry that I have an opinion and you don't like it. I'll shut up now.

Morgan Wallen skipping St. Louis is not an opinion, it's factually wrong. He had 2 sold out shows in 2023 and his current tour is hitting cities he skipped in his last tour, like Cleveland, Baltimore, Edmonton along with a lot of college stadiums. The last time he went to Kansas City was the same tour he came to St. Louis. You are just looking for things to complain about, meanwhile we continue to get shows from a wide array of artists at all of our stadiums.

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Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

addxb2 wrote: ↑

3:21 PM - 8 days ago

For September, my bet is My Chemical Romance. 

I feel confident in my tour and event logistics knowledge to say that STL could end the decade as a favorite for big stadium tours. 
- Dome is about to receive a big investment from it's new private operator. 
- The new operator is going to be EXCEPTIONALLY better equipped to monitor artists/tours and sell the stadium. 
- Gateway Studio in Chesterfield is unmatched. I have heard this from multiple in the industry. The facility is high-quality and artists like the accessibility to Spirit of St. Louis Airport.  
- The $2.5M in ticket guarantees is innovative and is going to be lethal in the hands of Dome's private operator. 

thanks for sharing all of that and I appreciate the optimism.  Can you elaborate on the last point ("- The $2.5M in ticket guarantees is innovative and is going to be lethal in the hands of Dome's private operator. ), please?

With the Dome getting more events, how is it that this venue is not sponsored (Formerly Edward Jones & TWA). I would hope that new investment in the venue will lead to more events & sponsorships. The extra revenue from advertising can't hurt. It also makes the building look more vibrant, as much as I hate to admit being plastered with company logos achieves this in my brain. It just looked so much more viable with the Ed Jones logo on it, along with Ford & other logos. Why wouldn't an advertiser want anyone flying into STL from the east to see their logo on the roof. Not to mention when a blimp, helicopter or drone is filming for a televised event, the roof of the Dome will be visible. The lack of advertisement on the Dome just baffles me!

DogtownBnR wrote:With the Dome getting more events, how is it that this venue is not sponsored (Formerly Edward Jones & TWA). I would hope that new investment in the venue will lead to more events & sponsorships. The extra revenue from advertising can't hurt. It also makes the building look more vibrant, as much as I hate to admit being plastered with company logos achieves this in my brain. It just looked so much more viable with the Ed Jones logo on it, along with Ford & other logos. Why wouldn't an advertiser want anyone flying into STL from the east to see their logo on the roof. Not to mention when a blimp, helicopter or drone is filming for a televised event, the roof of the Dome will be visible. The lack of advertisement on the Dome just baffles me!

It's nuts. They have like 15 places for advertising around the building and none of them are utilized. That's money being left on the table.

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^ Is it a lack of demand from advertisers or is the CVC really pursuing advertisers hard enough? Seems to me, if the price is too high, lower the price until the market sets the price higher in the future. Do 5-year (or less) ad deals so they are not locked in with advertisers for too long, at too low a price. Huge source of lost revenue!

StlAlex wrote: ↑

5:13 PM - 8 days ago

dweebe wrote:

StlAlex wrote: ↑

3:46 PM - 8 days ago

Taylor Swift was always going to Kansas City on the Eras Tour for obvious reasons. She came on her last tour in 2018. Morgan Wallen had 2 shows in 2023. I think you're looking for things to be upset about.

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Sorry that I have an opinion and you don't like it. I'll shut up now.

Morgan Wallen skipping St. Louis is not an opinion, it's factually wrong. He had 2 sold out shows in 2023 and his current tour is hitting cities he skipped in his last tour, like Cleveland, Baltimore, Edmonton along with a lot of college stadiums. The last time he went to Kansas City was the same tour he came to St. Louis. You are just looking for things to complain about, meanwhile we continue to get shows from a wide array of artists at all of our stadiums.

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You win. Congratulations on your superiority. 

What else can I do to make you happy: delete my posts? 

Ebsy wrote: ↑

6:06 PM - 8 days ago

Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

soulardx wrote: ↑

7:38 PM - 8 days ago

Ebsy wrote: ↑

6:06 PM - 8 days ago

Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

One would think they would have a large quantity of proprietary data that they use to model how well tickets will sell.

Ebsy wrote: ↑

7:41 PM - 8 days ago

soulardx wrote: ↑

7:38 PM - 8 days ago

Ebsy wrote: ↑

6:06 PM - 8 days ago

Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

One would think they would have a large quantity of proprietary data that they use to model how well tickets will sell.

sure, but I'd wager a very very large sum that how well tickets (for huge national touring act) sell in a region almost directly correlates to a region's size. 

I mean come on, that's why NA/ LA get 2 shows for big national acts and we get 1. No proprietary data needed there.

soulardx wrote:

Ebsy wrote: ↑

6:06 PM - 8 days ago

Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

Because size of a MSA does not necessarily dictate demand for a certain artist in that MSA. Southern country artist is probably not going to be as massive of a hit in Seattle as they would be in Tuscaloosa. Artists tour where their fans are, not just the biggest cities.

Billy Joel, for example, across 11 years only played in the south about 25 times. He came to St. Louis more than Atlanta and Houston and about the same as Miami and Dallas. That's because his fan support is generally not in the southern US, not because those cities are smaller than STL.

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StlAlex wrote: ↑

7:55 PM - 8 days ago

soulardx wrote:

Ebsy wrote: ↑

6:06 PM - 8 days ago

Imagine thinking that the people who schedule tour dates for major acts are scrolling through ACS data weighing whether to hit St. Louis. 

Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

Because size of a MSA does not necessarily dictate demand for a certain artist in that MSA. Southern country artist is probably not going to be as massive of a hit in Seattle as they would be in Tuscaloosa. Artists tour where their fans are, not just the biggest cities.

Billy Joel, for example, across 11 years only played in the south about 25 times. He came to St. Louis more than Atlanta and Houston and about the same as Miami and Dallas. That's because his fan support is generally not in the southern US, not because those cities are smaller than STL.

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Got to love web forum convos/arguments.  me above: "At the same time, I realize an MSA's catchment area isn't the sole factor here, but I am saying it's the most important." 

Bigger MSAs get more big shows.  A MSA needs to have a certain size for any act to consider making a stop.

You all are just wanting to argue for god knows what reason. godspeed

soulardx wrote:

StlAlex wrote: ↑

7:55 PM - 8 days ago

soulardx wrote: Unsure if this is directed toward me, but as I'm the only one throwing around populations stats -- yes, concert tour schedulers for acts that hit venues like Dome/Enterprise/Riverport are absolutely considering how many people live in region to decide where to make a tour stop. Is this really controversial?  

Because size of a MSA does not necessarily dictate demand for a certain artist in that MSA. Southern country artist is probably not going to be as massive of a hit in Seattle as they would be in Tuscaloosa. Artists tour where their fans are, not just the biggest cities.

Billy Joel, for example, across 11 years only played in the south about 25 times. He came to St. Louis more than Atlanta and Houston and about the same as Miami and Dallas. That's because his fan support is generally not in the southern US, not because those cities are smaller than STL.

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Got to love web forum convos/arguments.  me above: "At the same time, I realize an MSA's catchment area isn't the sole factor here, but I am saying it's the most important." 

Bigger MSAs get more big shows.  A MSA needs to have a certain size for any act to consider making a stop.

You all are just wanting to argue for god knows what reason. godspeed

No, an MSA needs fans of the act for the act to come. Hence why I used Billy Joel coming to St. Louis more than Atlanta as an example of this point.

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