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The Ameren substation is going in at 5507 Enright, so Union and Delmar can still be city. It's still owned by Ameren.

ABC distillery space is now cleaned out.

Sad situation for the past year in the Delmar Maker District and pushing good development north of CWE. Citizens really trying to get our community moving forward and it didn’t work out between the tornado and lack of foot traffic.

The City needs to step up with improving infrastructure along delmar east of the loop to downtown. It has held back our city for decades and it’s like a berlin wall to our progress. And we need more citizens and residents to take pride and value what other individuals are doing along delmar and support these events and businesses. 2023 looked so promising for this stretch of Delmar and it’s feeling a lot more hopeless again

The Elevation district to the East got a state grant for Kingshighway to Taylor. Idk where that stands after the contention over the TIF.

Delmar Main Street is working on Des Peres to Kingshighway. They city is encouraging them. No telling if they can get a grant. Like do fed grants for such things exist anymore?

keepstlbrick wrote: ↑

11:13 PM - Jan 04

Sad situation for the past year in the Delmar Maker District and pushing good development north of CWE. Citizens really trying to get our community moving forward and it didn’t work out between the tornado and lack of foot traffic.

The City needs to step up with improving infrastructure along delmar east of the loop to downtown. It has held back our city for decades and it’s like a berlin wall to our progress. And we need more citizens and residents to take pride and value what other individuals are doing along delmar and support these events and businesses. 2023 looked so promising for this stretch of Delmar and it’s feeling a lot more hopeless again

It is sad that not many people know that the residents and condo owners whose buildings got affected by tornado in DeBaliviere Place are still working on their insurance claims let alone getting repairs done. How do you think there would be increased foot traffic? City should work on assisting these owners first before we can rejuvenate the area. Do you know that the area is still grappling with insurance claims?

Sad to see them closing we tried to go as often as we could. Hopefully we will be able to make it out this week sometime before they close. 

Nixta has been relatively full when we’ve gone. It’s such a bummer when so much work was put into Delmar before the tornado. As someone living in the tornado zone I can definitely reinforce that many, many buildings and houses are a long way from being fixed for various reasons, insurance, lack of contractor capacity, roofing materials etc.


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Couple thing

A second fountain, 10 minutes from original probably not necessary

As far as Hot dog shop, it’s fine but it’s not great. Honestly it’s overpriced for what it is. Like craft beer, I think the craft hotdog boat as sailed.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

9:29 PM - Jan 05

Couple thing

A second fountain, 10 minutes from original probably not necessary

As far as Hot dog shop, it’s fine but it’s not great.  Honestly it’s overpriced for what it is.  Like craft beer, I think the craft hotdog boat as sailed.

Agreed. From some of their messaging, I got the sense they were already struggling before the tornado.

Another closure just announced: Union Studio’s The Lobby, located on the ground floor of MADE, is closing.
https://www.stlmag.com/design/the-lobby ... e-tornado/

The street has almost zero foot traffic. I think the entire vision of the Maker District would be better served on Washington Avenue (somewhere between Grand and the river). You'd get visitor traffic from shows, conventions, and the like. It could feed gallery spaces, aid in hosting events, provide artists with additional room to grow and hop from one space to the next...

Instead of creating one-off retail districts, how about downtown and midtown? 

This is one of the defining reasons why we lack a bit of vibrancy in core areas. I think most would agree that they want to see Delmar succeed and grow, but does it have to be a heavy retail-experience street that requires significant infrastructure upgrades, surface parking, placemaking investments, studies, and then after that, the district can't maintain the momentum. (with or without tornado). 

It needed significant housing built in tandem. They made the mistake of counting on people driving in. We learned during the pandemic that depending on drivers is risky.

They also should've tried to get Lake Ave reopened through to Delmar.

I mean the plan didn't seem audacious to me, Delmar between Debaliviere and Union looks pretty nice & Aldi's at Kingshighway, but I agree a bigger focus on new housing would've been better.

I liked what they were trying to do and many of their events were successful. Every day traffic I think just struggled post tornado

These were business individuals though trying to breaK the Delmar Divide and I just wished it would’ve gotten more legs and started to extend with momentum west to debaliviere and east to kingshighway and unfortunately it did not

Before the tornado, I would’ve said the most logical and easiest way to break the divide would likely be via Euclid into Fountain Park but since it was possibly the worst hit neighborhood and lost much of its attractive architecture (that I hope gets rebuilt) I’m just not sure now. Hopefully some projects that have been floated for that area get off the ground soon

The private streets to the south make this section of Delmar the most isolated of the entire street. I think they were relying on snowballing gentrification of Academy and Fountain Park to the north to sustain them in the future. Unfortunately the tornado set all of that back quite a bit (and displaced a good portion of their existing customer base) but this would have been tough regardless.

Not to mention the street activity to super spread out and Delmar is a traffic sewer in its current state. 

With that being said I could still see businesses being successful here. It depends on the rent they would have to pay, but another coffee or ice cream shop could absolutely succeed here eventually IMO

Anyone know how Craft Alliance is doing? I realize it's not strictly a retail business, but I'm curious if they're happy with their new place.

Not sure what is going on but I noticed there is activity and some kind of oven going in where ABC Distillery was.

Edit: sounds like it will be a wood fired pizza (and I assume other things) run by the same group as Nixta and those restaurants that moved up here

$750k building permit issued for a cafe at 4731 Delmar