We had a number of very old, large street trees down in our neighborhoods. Two especially large ones blew out in almost the exact same way along Holly Hills. Per an arborist I met while out walking the neighborhood, it was the wind blowing perpendicular, rather than parallel, to the sidewalk that did the trick. I guess the sidewalk/street constrain root growth in those directions which makes the trees susceptible.stlurbanist wrote: ↑May 29, 2025hmmm - I am still not convinced that the decade old and century old trees got uprooted by sheer wind. Could ground saturation have played a role? Were roots not deep enough?walker wrote: ↑May 24, 2025When a storm like this comes through, the winds come at all directions, particularly directions that most of these trees were never pushed on from.stlurbanist wrote:2. Why did so many mature trees get uprooted. Did I miss the discussion on this topic somewhere?
That “pushing” plus all the leaves that act like a sail and you get a downed tree.
I was also probably the fact those trees probably never had to withstand 160mph winds.
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Where is the help when needed for those impacted by tornado?
We were affected by tornado and looking for short term leases and none of the management companies are interested in providing short terms and/or want to capitalize on the situation by jacking up the base rent.
We were affected by tornado and looking for short term leases and none of the management companies are interested in providing short terms and/or want to capitalize on the situation by jacking up the base rent.
Stl PR - As St. Louis rebuilds, a warning spreads: ‘Don’t let them come and take your bricks’
https://www.stlpr.org/show/st-louis-on- ... our-bricks
https://www.stlpr.org/show/st-louis-on- ... our-bricks
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I did not even know rule/law existed:
St. Louis City is working to suspend an ordinance which holds part of insurance claims from tornado victims
https://youtu.be/ue_Ia1efpXw?si=YJslM3Jcr2kAF1yM
St. Louis City is working to suspend an ordinance which holds part of insurance claims from tornado victims
https://youtu.be/ue_Ia1efpXw?si=YJslM3Jcr2kAF1yM
^It's important to note that the 25% is held in escrow, not just taken away as some people seem to think because it was poorly explained to them by their insurance agent/adjuster. The idea is that the City has funds available to deal with a damaged building if an owner just takes the insurance payout and abandons the property. It happens sometimes, so that helps prevent taxpayers being on the hook for yet another demolition cost. That said, this disaster is of a different scope that the typical situation, so maybe it's a good time to find some leniency.
^ It's a different scope, but also more people could take their insurance settlement and walk. And given the conditions of the buildings and poor market for resale of these properties its also more likely. I assume a ton of these properties will end up in LRA inventory, and as Matt says, the tax payers will end up paying for the tear down and clean up.
Just suspending the rule could prove to be problematic.
Just suspending the rule could prove to be problematic.
I was confused by that news piece. I'm not sure why that is being applied here. Looking at where the language is coming from, it seems like that ordinance should only apply to nuisance properties. I wonder if the insurance company might just be confused.chris fuller wrote: ↑May 29, 2025I did not even know rule/law existed:
St. Louis City is working to suspend an ordinance which holds part of insurance claims from tornado victims
https://youtu.be/ue_Ia1efpXw?si=YJslM3Jcr2kAF1yM
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and regarding FEMA
We are all on our own
https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-season-disaster-weather-doge-fema-noaa-cd215947480de9099a53fe20669bb923
We are all on our own
https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-season-disaster-weather-doge-fema-noaa-cd215947480de9099a53fe20669bb923
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSzSfAv ... xwcTZ6eQ==
This administration has failed in its response to the tornado.
This administration has failed in its response to the tornado.
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Administrations have failed persons impacted by natural disasters all over the county
Any future events, and there will be, will put an already strained. stressed, broken 'response' systems to the breaking point, If we are not there already
Bottom line: We are all on our own
Any future events, and there will be, will put an already strained. stressed, broken 'response' systems to the breaking point, If we are not there already
Bottom line: We are all on our own
It's true that the administration has failed on communication regarding the tornado sirens and so far the cleanup efforts appears lackluster at best as well. This I feel can and should be blamed on this administration. I would also agree that the city (and obviously the state but we are already aware of that) was completely unprepared and unready for a natural disaster of this scale, and it does appear that without non-profits, in particular Christian and left-wing non-profits, the state of things would be far worse than they are right now. This blame is general among all previous administrations, including Jones' because I would bet that the city has never been ready for a humanitarian disaster such as this one. The real test will be if we 1) Properly rebuild and provide aid, 2) Ready ourselves for another disaster.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 01, 2025https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSzSfAv ... xwcTZ6eQ==
This administration has failed in its response to the tornado.
As for Rams money, I do personally support using a fraction ($10-20M) to provide aid and hopefully temporary housing for people displaced by this storm. I don't personally have any faith in the state or federal government to provide aid, so we may as well be on our own. The Rams money is a great source to use to help displaced people with housing and ideally rebuild homes that were destroyed or damaged. Not doing this would be a failure in my eyes. However, I do understand that the BOA must approve any use of funds.
I don't work for a non-profit or anything, so I have no idea if the city is being hard to work with or whatever. If they are, then it is a massive black stain on this administration. If this is a lie, then it's really stupid of her to play politics while being apparently a leading figure for this non-profit who has to work with the city. It would also be an end to this woman's credibility.
As for the anti-police comments, I don't know what she expects in the wake of a natural disaster such as this one. A curfew was necessary as it pretty much always is following disasters such as this one. Basic utilities being out, the local economy in shambles, and general disorder will always create an environment ripe for criminality, especially in an area already prone to crime and violence. The police curfew would have happened under Jones and any mayor, probably because we have a competent police chief who recommended it. This was a very good thing that Spencer presumably green lit.
Overall, I don't know how one could look at the aftermath of the tornado and come to the conclusion that the city has done a passable job, much less a good one. There is still plenty of time to improve and rebuild, but so far it has been pretty mediocre at best. It's also especially cringe to see the city's Twitter page reposting staged videos of Spencer waving at trucks as they drive by? Just so weird and unnecessary. However, I doubt reality is as stark as some have made it out to be, such as the woman in the Instagram video. I also doubt that Cori Bush being in office would somehow make anything better.
Forestry came by this morning and cut some dangerous branches on a street tree by my house.
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Tornado Alley is shifting... It’s been a wild year for tornadoes and the numbers are painting a clear picture. The Ohio Valley and Deep South have seen a surge in both tornado frequency and intensity in 2025, rivaling the traditional Great Plains hotspots.
The traditional “Tornado Alley” isn’t gone, but it’s not alone anymore. We're seeing more tornadoes near and east of the Mississippi, in places like Kentucky, Arkansas, Illinois and Mississippi. These areas generally have denser populations, more trees and in some areas - more hills. That’s a dangerous combo.
What used to be considered “unusual” is quickly becoming the new normal in the eastern half of the country.
The traditional “Tornado Alley” isn’t gone, but it’s not alone anymore. We're seeing more tornadoes near and east of the Mississippi, in places like Kentucky, Arkansas, Illinois and Mississippi. These areas generally have denser populations, more trees and in some areas - more hills. That’s a dangerous combo.
What used to be considered “unusual” is quickly becoming the new normal in the eastern half of the country.
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Do you know if Ameren's dispatch is handled by external contractors? We have a request that has been in the queue and yet to be serviced. Kinda frustrating...quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 01, 2025Forestry came by this morning and cut some dangerous branches on a street tree by my house.
this is quite enlightening.chris fuller wrote: ↑Jun 01, 2025Tornado Alley is shifting... It’s been a wild year for tornadoes and the numbers are painting a clear picture. The Ohio Valley and Deep South have seen a surge in both tornado frequency and intensity in 2025, rivaling the traditional Great Plains hotspots.
The traditional “Tornado Alley” isn’t gone, but it’s not alone anymore. We're seeing more tornadoes near and east of the Mississippi, in places like Kentucky, Arkansas, Illinois and Mississippi. These areas generally have denser populations, more trees and in some areas - more hills. That’s a dangerous combo.
What used to be considered “unusual” is quickly becoming the new normal in the eastern half of the country.
I wonder why the City sirens fired for the first Monday of the month test at like 11:18 and not at the usual 11am?
Gotcha. I was inside and thought I might have heard the 11:00 one; but I was outside for and definitely heard that 11:18am refire.quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 02, 2025They sounded twice.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 4b508.html
Plan to use $30M in Rams money for tornado relief appears to have support from both the BOA and Mayor.
Plan to use $30M in Rams money for tornado relief appears to have support from both the BOA and Mayor.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 3473f.html
Tornado damages estimate is up to $1.6 billion, bipartisan group of state lawmakers have earmarked $25M in aid.
Tornado damages estimate is up to $1.6 billion, bipartisan group of state lawmakers have earmarked $25M in aid.
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Section 441.645 of the Missouri Revised Statutes states that if “a residence is destroyed by an act of God, including but not limited to fire or a tornado, or other natural disaster or man-made disaster, so long as the tenant was not the person who caused the disaster, the tenant shall not be liable to the landlord for rent during the remainder of the term of the lease agreement.”
You should notify your landlord in writing that you are vacating your lease under provisions of Section 441.645 of the Missouri Revised Statutes. You should also request the return of your deposit, and inform the landlord of when you’ll be collecting your personal possessions.
You should notify your landlord in writing that you are vacating your lease under provisions of Section 441.645 of the Missouri Revised Statutes. You should also request the return of your deposit, and inform the landlord of when you’ll be collecting your personal possessions.
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What kind of funds were provided by local/state/federal governments for Joplin tornado several years ago?Auggie wrote: ↑Jun 03, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 3473f.html
Tornado damages estimate is up to $1.6 billion, bipartisan group of state lawmakers have earmarked $25M in aid.
$36M according to this 2013 USA Today article. This was due to unexpectedly high insurance reimbursements and higher than expected federal aid.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Jun 03, 2025What kind of funds were provided by local/state/federal governments for Joplin tornado several years ago?Auggie wrote: ↑Jun 03, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 3473f.html
Tornado damages estimate is up to $1.6 billion, bipartisan group of state lawmakers have earmarked $25M in aid.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... y/2509685/
That's $51M in today's money.
Joplin looks to have received around $300M in total federal aid, which is $427M in today's money.
In my experience, Ameren schedules and dispatches but utilize sub contractors for alot of their work. If a sub contractor is being used, their availability impacts schedule.stlurbanist wrote: ↑May 29, 2025Where is the help when needed for those impacted by tornado?
We were affected by tornado and looking for short term leases and none of the management companies are interested in providing short terms and/or want to capitalize on the situation by jacking up the base rent.