While I agree with the sentiment, our region is always playing "Musical Chairs" with office occupancy. What we really need is to leverage this opportunity and draw new businesses from outside of the immediate region.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Feb 28, 2025Getting Purina and or Ameren to move from their suburban style offices into something downtown would be a win, converting their current parking deserts into missing middle housing to bridge the gap between the neighborhoods and downtown would be a major win
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Fair enough. The real progress comes when we get substantial presences from companies like Enterprise or Edward Jones. Too bad Energizer only moved to Clayton, I would argue it's still progress compared to their previous location but it would hvae been damn nice to see that logo on a tower near the soccer stadium.
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Ameren isn’t going anywhere. It spent like $75M renovation its current hq over the last few years
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Same with Purina. They own all that land and the dozen or so buildings on it.
Not sure if it has been discussed, but Cordish faced some significant pushback on Four Light in the P&L district. There is now a cap of "Six Lights" in that area. It feels very much like they see St. Louis as a growth market as their presence matures in KC. Thus the single phase and emphasis on their reputation with BPV, etc.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 39623.html
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 39623.html
Pretty sure Ameren has spent a lot of money on their HQ, but not sure about Purina. Surely, they have a lot of unused office space from COVID, and most the buildings are pretty old. Would be amazing for them to build new on the other side of I-64 and their HQ be redeveloped for housing.
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Agreed on the sentiment of building on the other side of 64, but can confirm Purina doesn’t have excess office space and there’s a 0% chance they build a new HQ.Auggie wrote:Pretty sure Ameren has spent a lot of money on their HQ, but not sure about Purina. Surely, they have a lot of unused office space from COVID, and most the buildings are pretty old. Would be amazing for them to build new on the other side of I-64 and their HQ be redeveloped for housing.
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^Our only hope for Purina is that Nestle like's the cheaper digs in St. Louis and moves a few more Nestle teams to STL. I know there were a handful of teams downtown pre-covid, but were moved back over to the HQ during WFH covid. The WFH era is ending at Purina from what I hear as of 2024/2025.
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Purina has had 2500-3000 people in office 4 days a week since 2022.
Could Enterprise be a candidate? Consolidate into a single structure and move into the core of their home metro?
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Lamar Johnson Collaborative is the architect per the LCRA meeting.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Feb 19, 2025[li]Based on the building design alone, this looks like a Lamar Johnson Collaborative design. It gives me "One Fulton Market" (https://theljc.com/projects/170-n-green) vibes. Considering Cordish has used Hord Coplan Macht for many of their projects, including One Cardinal Way, and how they moved on to Beyer Blinder Belle for 4 Light in Kansas City, it would make sense if they went with a different architect here.[/li]
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They seem to do a lot of work in the St.Louis areaChris Stritzel wrote:Lamar Johnson Collaborative is the architect per the LCRA meeting.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Feb 19, 2025[li]Based on the building design alone, this looks like a Lamar Johnson Collaborative design. It gives me "One Fulton Market" (https://theljc.com/projects/170-n-green) vibes. Considering Cordish has used Hord Coplan Macht for many of their projects, including One Cardinal Way, and how they moved on to Beyer Blinder Belle for 4 Light in Kansas City, it would make sense if they went with a different architect here.[/li]
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I definitely would’ve got bit by the snakeaddxb2 wrote:Lamar Johnson Collaborative a.k.a Clayco a.k.a Robert G. Clark a.k.a Bob Clark
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Cordish put this project on their linkedin feed describing the $670 million dollar proposal as "preliminary". Make me ill at ease.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/the-cord ... hN1yM0huII
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/the-cord ... hN1yM0huII
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It could all be hooey
I will believe it when they are pounding in the foundation pilings of whatever is going to be at that spot
I will believe it when they are pounding in the foundation pilings of whatever is going to be at that spot
Of course it is "prelim" it was just 2 weeks ago announced.
But worse is that fact that we have members here that in 2 weeks time since this was announced have posted like Debbie Downers. Seriously, you all sound like county nimbsys
But worse is that fact that we have members here that in 2 weeks time since this was announced have posted like Debbie Downers. Seriously, you all sound like county nimbsys
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Demo is supposed to start next month. I don’t think some certainty is a big ask before the wrecking ball starts swinging.
They haven't submitted a demo permit application yet. Nor a building permit. Nor is it on a Board of Adjustment agenda. Nor has a tax abatement bill been introduced. An April start sounded crazy to me when first mentioned here.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 10029.html
Cordish says that the PwC Pennant Building is "proof" that there is demand for what they describe as "amenity filled office space". They also say that the PwC building is 90% occupied.
They say that there are companies who wanted to stay downtown or were not opposed to staying, but that there wasn't office space that had the type of amenities that they were looking for.
Cordish says that the PwC Pennant Building is "proof" that there is demand for what they describe as "amenity filled office space". They also say that the PwC building is 90% occupied.
They say that there are companies who wanted to stay downtown or were not opposed to staying, but that there wasn't office space that had the type of amenities that they were looking for.
With all that demand, I'm guessing they plan on proceeding without subsidies. /sAuggie wrote: ↑Mar 19, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 10029.html
Cordish says that the PwC Pennant Building is "proof" that there is demand for what they describe as "amenity filled office space". They also say that the PwC building is 90% occupied.
They say that there are companies who wanted to stay downtown or were not opposed to staying, but that there wasn't office space that had the type of amenities that they were looking for.
Not a chance.bprop wrote: ↑Mar 19, 2025With all that demand, I'm guessing they plan on proceeding without subsidies. /sAuggie wrote: ↑Mar 19, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 10029.html
Cordish says that the PwC Pennant Building is "proof" that there is demand for what they describe as "amenity filled office space". They also say that the PwC building is 90% occupied.
They say that there are companies who wanted to stay downtown or were not opposed to staying, but that there wasn't office space that had the type of amenities that they were looking for.
Word on the street is that this is seriously progressing. Thompson Coburn is rumored to be the anchor tenant for the 11 story office building, potentially filling the whole building.
While this would be great for kickstarting the project. It is once again just “musical chairs” as the occupancy at US Bank would suffer greatly.
While this would be great for kickstarting the project. It is once again just “musical chairs” as the occupancy at US Bank would suffer greatly.
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I don’t understand why TC would want to go from the top of US Bank to a stumpy 11 story building adjacent to a freeway. To each their own I guess.