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https://www.schickassociates.com/about

This firm was one of the 3 proposals

The proposal, called King Louie Commons, would pay homage to the city’s German heritage and brewery pedigree; it entailed a luxury apartment tower overlooking a town square-like layout with multiple entertainment venues, restaurants, beer halls and other amenities.

dbInSouthCity wrote:https://www.schickassociates.com/about

This firm was one of the 3 proposals

The proposal, called King Louie Commons, would pay homage to the city’s German heritage and brewery pedigree; it entailed a luxury apartment tower overlooking a town square-like layout with multiple entertainment venues, restaurants, beer halls and other amenities.

lol the first sentence in that guys bio says it all!

Well, hold on, let true alpha cook. I'm requesting Gateway Arch Park Foundation reconsider their selection of Cordish.

Here is a view of what it might look like inside Busch Stadium. Of course we don't know what the west side looks like exactly but this is generally the scale and presence it would have.

God, I love it. 

If the ugly Ballpark East garage is ever claimed for redevelopment, could there be a height limit imposed on it by the city to preserve views of the Arch from inside the stadium? 

I'd hope not. Maybe, like at the Millennium site, they could put a tower more on one side than the other to preserve some of that Arch view. 

^ 2CW will probably block the Old Courthouse but I'll take it. Having new towers like this along with the CL redevelopment to the south will make a huge impression for visitors when driving through town. 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

https://www.schickassociates.com/about

This firm was one of the 3 proposals

Makes me wonder if they submitted solely as a way to try to gain some publicity for their 12 deals of supposed alpha work.

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

God, I love it. 

If the ugly Ballpark East garage is ever claimed for redevelopment, could there be a height limit imposed on it by the city to preserve views of the Arch from inside the stadium? 

I'd hope not. Maybe, like at the Millennium site, they could put a tower more on one side than the other to preserve some of that Arch view. 

My guess is that the eventual buyers of the stadium garages will be the Cardinals or their partners. They probably wouldn’t want to go super tall on stadium east and obstruct the arch views from behind the plate. A 200-250 ft tower would look good and add to the views rather than detract. They could go super tall on the stadium west footprint and really enhance views from first base line and get any potential height and added floor space they wanted there though. That would make a good balance

Since they will be blocking the Old Courthouse with their next building, I’d love to see them just go to the sky there instead of a 300 footer because 300 or 600, that view is going to be blocked. So create your premium floors at the top by going above One Cardinal Way to give those floors and the rooftop views into the stadium. The plan now for a couple floors taller won’t provide that, so Im surprised they aren’t going taller on that back BPV lot

There’s also 500 Broadway…That’d be a prime lot for another residential tower. Is that owned by Cardinals already?

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote:https://www.schickassociates.com/about

This firm was one of the 3 proposals

The proposal, called King Louie Commons, would pay homage to the city’s German heritage and brewery pedigree; it entailed a luxury apartment tower overlooking a town square-like layout with multiple entertainment venues, restaurants, beer halls and other amenities.

lol the first sentence in that guys bio says it all!

You know that dude is 5’9” maximum. Camera angle + alpha speak.

Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

Chris Stritzel wrote:Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

I honestly think this is the best way to go to insure this project gets moving forward & becomes vertical either way we’ll eventually get a BPV 3 which is still a win.


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Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

Millennium being further along casts no doubt DeWitt is the reason BPV development has lagged.  Cordish has developed other projects in partnership with major sports franchises and has a track record of completing such projects.

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

Millennium being further along casts no doubt DeWitt is the reason BPV development has lagged.  Cordish has developed other projects in partnership with major sports franchises and has a track record of completing such projects.

I agree, Cordish has an excellent track record of completing big projects nationwide. I have no doubt that this project will be no different. I actually wish the city put out an RFP to complete the North Riverfront Master Plan. I wouldn't be mad if Live! concept was also brought to the Landing.

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

Millennium being further along casts no doubt DeWitt is the reason BPV development has lagged.  Cordish has developed other projects in partnership with major sports franchises and has a track record of completing such projects.

I’d bet your mortgage it’s because they don’t want to lose the parking lot

https://www.riverbender.com/news/detail ... -79852.cfm

Today, the Gateway Arch Park Foundation announced that the Millennium Hotel will be redeveloped by The Cordish Companies, with the property set to once again become a jewel of downtown St. Louis. Mayor Tishaura O. Jones issued the following statement: 

“Back in May of 2024, I asked SLDC and GSL to bring me a plan to address the Railway Exchange and the Millennium Hotel within 120 days. In September, they established a path forward to address both buildings. And now, as a result of a successful public-private partnership, the Gateway Arch Park Foundation stepping up for our community, and The Cordish Companies’ exciting plan, this property at the front door of our state will again be one that St. Louisans can be proud of, and which will contribute immensely to downtown,” said Mayor Jones. “This is what leadership and collaboration look like, and I want to thank everyone involved. I am thrilled that a trusted and successful developer like The Cordish Companies will bring this home.”

I see that these comments are a couple of days old but hadn't noticed prior to this article, glad to see the mayor is on board. Has Spencer commented on this project yet?

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

God, I love it. 

If the ugly Ballpark East garage is ever claimed for redevelopment, could there be a height limit imposed on it by the city to preserve views of the Arch from inside the stadium? 

I'd hope not. Maybe, like at the Millennium site, they could put a tower more on one side than the other to preserve some of that Arch view. 

My guess is that the eventual buyers of the stadium garages will be the Cardinals or their partners. They probably wouldn’t want to go super tall on stadium east and obstruct the arch views from behind the plate. A 200-250 ft tower would look good and add to the views rather than detract. They could go super tall on the stadium west footprint and really enhance views from first base line and get any potential height and added floor space they wanted there though. That would make a good balance

There’s also 400 Broadway…That’d be a prime lot for another residential tower. Is that owned by Cardinals already?

I think the huge surface parking lot you have in mind across from the stadium is addressed as 500 S Broadway. Anyway, I wouldn't count on development coming there anytime soon. Around the time of the BPV Phase 2 announcement it was owned by a Nashville developer who has had some towers built there and that led to speculation here that something might come to this one, but it was sold awhile back to a parking company entity based in Cincy.  They appear to have 4 other (smaller) surface lots downtown and I get the sense that it will take a lot of $$ for a developer to pry them from away. 
And I don't think the parking garages are going away anytime soon either.  Those suckers have a pretty high appraisal and acquisition costs probably are prohibitive.  

Edit: Here is a link to the Cincy parking company on its philosophy: https://new-mobileit.dudasites.com/  

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Feb 20, 2025

Double posted since it seems newsworthy...

St. Louis Cardinals consider role in Millennium Redevelopment - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... f5200.html

In short, Bill DeWitt says the Millennium site plans are further along than the next phase of Ballpark Village. Depending on how fast Cordish moves and economics of it, the Cardinals might invest into it.

Millennium being further along casts no doubt DeWitt is the reason BPV development has lagged.  Cordish has developed other projects in partnership with major sports franchises and has a track record of completing such projects.

I’d bet your mortgage it’s because they don’t want to lose the parking lot

Of course you'd bet his mortgage.  they don't care about those lots. if they did they'd put garages on them and 5x the revenue 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

Millennium being further along casts no doubt DeWitt is the reason BPV development has lagged.  Cordish has developed other projects in partnership with major sports franchises and has a track record of completing such projects.

I’d bet your mortgage it’s because they don’t want to lose the parking lot

Of course you'd bet his mortgage.  they don't care about those lots. if they did they'd put garages on them and 5x the revenue 

Yes, Dennis, it’s called tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise known as a joke. Chill out dude.

And your point about garages is incorrect. Customers overwhelmingly prefer surface to structured parking.

^ Not sure how Dbln is incorrect.  HIs comment relates to the owner not the customer.   Any good business model will be based on what drives the bottomline for the owner and therefore not necessarily what the customer wants.   However, as we all know, it becomes nuance as parking garage like all investment is a capital expenditure driving the rate return which becomes subjective as the owner has to decide if the demand it there, or will competition next door such as a cheaper a more preferable surface lot is available, leave it lacking in needed revenues.    

To me parking garages need much more demand and or say more vertical presence whether it be office, residential or sport team.      Back to the Chicken and egg which comes first problem for St. Louis.  A lot of cheap preferable surface lots in downtown to meet demand.   Which gets back to some our age old arguments on urbanstl - Do you offer a boatload of incentives so Cordish actually breaks ground or do you tax the piss of out of DeWitts & surrounding surface parking lots being discussed?

Customers overwhelmingly prefer surface to structured parking
huh?
When I park my car at one of those airport lots I prefer my vehicle to be in structured parking Same for downtown I dont have to clean all the ice and snow off my vehicle
Maybe its to each his own.....

dredger wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2025

^ Not sure how Dbln is incorrect.  HIs comment relates to the owner not the customer.   Any good business model will be based on what drives the bottomline for the owner and therefore not necessarily what the customer wants.   However, as we all know, it becomes nuance as parking garage like all investment is a capital expenditure driving the rate return which becomes subjective as the owner has to decide if the demand it there, or will competition next door such as a cheaper a more preferable surface lot is available, leave it lacking in needed revenues.    

To me parking garages need much more demand and or say more vertical presence whether it be office, residential or sport team.      Back to the Chicken and egg which comes first problem for St. Louis.  A lot of cheap preferable surface lots in downtown to meet demand.   Which gets back to some our age old arguments on urbanstl - Do you offer a boatload of incentives so Cordish actually breaks ground or do you tax the piss of out of DeWitts & surrounding surface parking lots being discussed?

No more corporate welfare for Cordish. Land Value Tax now, please.

The business owners in the Loop said the same when the Parkview Gardens plan showed development including structured parking on the lot north on Cicero's. And it was removed from the plan and the financially struggling U City still owns and maintains that lot.

Please take the BPV discussion to the BPV thread.

30-story apt building w/ 585 market-rate units
-283,000 SF of Class A office
-28,000 SF of retail
-8,000 SF food hall/winter garden
-1,000-stall parking garage