Millennium Hotel Site Redevelopment

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5262025-02-21T16:55+00:00

LCRA Board agenda out. As usual crappy images and pictures of text, ugh .

30-story apartment building
585 market-rate units
283k sf office
28k sf retail
33k sf outdoor amenity space
8k sf food hall/winter garden
1,000 space parking garage
$669M project cost
Up to 90% tax abatement for up to 20 years

Development Description image says
Riverline Apartments 41 stories
The Bluffs office 10 stories
The Confluence event space
The Eddy Amphitheater
The Watershed Winter Garden
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PostFeb 21, 2025#5272025-02-21T16:55+00:00

I guess that's 30 stories of apartments on top of 11 stories?

pdm_ad · PostFeb 21, 2025#5282025-02-21T16:57+00:00

^ 30 story? Which design is this?

EDIT: never mind, I see the additional posts after DBs

PostFeb 21, 2025#5292025-02-21T16:59+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2025
Riverline Apartments 41 stories
The Bluffs office 10 stories

Whoa! At first I thought you meant 41 on top of 10.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostFeb 21, 2025#5302025-02-21T17:07+00:00

Hard to tell from the images where all that parking will be. I assume it’s part of those 10 stories under the 31 stories

pdm_ad · PostFeb 21, 2025#5312025-02-21T17:11+00:00

^ + 3-4 parking in the base? So 43-44 floors total?

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5322025-02-21T17:14+00:00

There's clearly a few levels at the base of the apartment building.

I'd like to know more about of the amphitheater and winter garden works with a noisy polluting highway right there.

pdm_ad · PostFeb 21, 2025#5332025-02-21T17:16+00:00

^ Something absolutely must be done to cap or remove I-44

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5342025-02-21T17:20+00:00

Parking - 3 levels above grade, 2 levels below grade.

PostFeb 21, 2025#5352025-02-21T17:22+00:00

What does that say?

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostFeb 21, 2025#5362025-02-21T17:22+00:00

^Cordish Power and Light development getting a massive cap on 670 in KC right in front of its buildings makes me think they at least have to be in favor of something over 44 to connect the development to the national park. Since Gateway Foundation purchased the land for RFP because of its importance, they have to be thinking of connection too.

The amphitheater can’t work without a cap or removal. I also can’t make out the orientation - I would assume you would want the Arch in the back ground so audience would face northeast. You would still have all the interstate infrastructure in the background no matter what

So idk, maybe they have a cooked up long term vision amongst all the parties to push for a change

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5372025-02-21T17:25+00:00

If only we had the courage to remove it.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostFeb 21, 2025#5382025-02-21T17:26+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2025
If only we had the courage to remove it.

With the i-70 bridge, I really don’t understand how we wouldnt have the courage. I’m not sure there would actually be much opposition. I think everyone finds it rather dividing, ugly and pointless

Show these new developments connected to the arch and riverfront and most people will get on board.

This small stretch of interstate has way too many maintenance costs versus its utility.

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5392025-02-21T17:45+00:00

Well, we didn't when the bridge was built and CityArchRiver was planned. I don't think things have changed.

addxb2 · PostFeb 21, 2025#5402025-02-21T18:01+00:00

They plan to re-clad East Busch Garage and add retail.

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 21, 2025#5412025-02-21T18:03+00:00

additional views

quincunx · PostFeb 21, 2025#5422025-02-21T18:05+00:00

Who they? Looks like a desire of the GAPF and/or city to me.

pdm_ad · PostFeb 21, 2025#5432025-02-21T18:09+00:00

Wonder why this would be included unless the Cards are a part of this project already

Chris Stritzel · PostFeb 21, 2025#5442025-02-21T18:26+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2025
LCRA Board agenda out. As usual crappy images and pictures of text, ugh .

30-story apartment building
585 market-rate units
283k sf office
28k sf retail
33k sf outdoor amenity space
8k sf food hall/winter garden
1,000 space parking garage
$669M project cost
Up to 90% tax abatement for up to 20 years

It's interesting how the numbers in the text portion of the LCRA agenda differ from that of the Cordish presentation portion. The presentation says...
- 600 apartments.
- 250,000sf office.
- 52,000sf of retail (overall).
- 35,000sf food hall and winter garden.
- STL Arch Archive and Storage: 60,000sf
- 7000sf amphitheater.

Either way, this is a huge project.

I'm also curious how this project can cost more than what's been spent at Ballpark Village so far. Only $360 Million has been spent over there (so far), yet this project is $310 Million more expensive?

jacob_rb_15 · PostFeb 21, 2025#5452025-02-21T19:02+00:00

A reclad of the stadium east garage and retail being added makes it sound like the garage is here to stay for a while...

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostFeb 21, 2025#5462025-02-21T19:18+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2025
They plan to re-clad East Busch Garage and add retail.

Just replace it with a new building including a garage please. If you are going to think up a plan for the building to add bays and reclad, just go all the way and make it more productive land use.

Ebsy · PostFeb 21, 2025#5472025-02-21T19:44+00:00

Let's hope there is more follow through on this than BPV.

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 21, 2025#5482025-02-21T19:49+00:00

Ebsy wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2025
Let's hope there is more follow through on this than BPV.

Cordish builds stuff they say they will build. BPV is not a Cordish project, its a cardinals ownership project, which selected Cordish to work on it but Cordish cannot build something unless their client want it built.

addxb2 · PostFeb 21, 2025#5492025-02-21T19:50+00:00

Ebsy wrote:Let's hope there is more follow through on this than BPV.

BPV is not Cordish responsibility. Cardinals own the land and the development rights. If it were up to Cordish, BPV would be done.

Which is exactly why the City should withhold discussions about any stadium funding unless it includes a commitment to *COMPLETE* BPV by 2030.

Ebsy · PostFeb 21, 2025#5502025-02-21T20:01+00:00

I understand that but just above there is discussion of the Cardinals being involved in this, so it is not so clearly separated. Obviously it is too early to say what role they would play but couldn't they easily end up as part of the financing, putting them in a position to put the brakes on things when it suits their whims?

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