We already did this. I’m not doing it again. If you think it’s appropriate to equate white and black voters voting along racial lines, I pity your minuscule intellect
I'd have more respect if you could articulate a comprehensive argument for why Jones *does not* deserve another term and why Spencer *will be* better.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025^so if white voters--many of whom voted for Jones 4 and 8 years ago-- don't vote for her this time around it's racism.
But black voters who do the same have misplaced anger over a snowstorm.
I can respect that there are those who think Jones deserves a second term. I do not agree with that sentiment but it does not make their opinion any less valid.
It would be nice for her supporters to respect those who have a different opinion instead of invalidating them.
Your experience sounds extremely unique and not representative of the median whatsoever.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My experience as a city resident and city business owner the last four years hasn't been the best. It takes four plus months to get a building permit issued. It used to take 4-6 weeks. I often times have to take trash to my jobsites because it doesn't get picked up at my house (that never happened prior to Jones). Getting sidewalks and waterlines repaired at our properties takes longer than it ever has. There was a water main break on the city street in front of one of our buildings. It took over a week to be fixed and required taking out 25 ft of sidewalk. 4 plus months later the sidewalk still has not been replaced. Neighborhood residents have to venture onto the street to walk around. My experience is not unique and I think alot of people are ready for something new as a result.
Every person on my block deals with the same trash issue. The 200 plus residents that live where the sidewalk was removed have to walk onto the street to avoid the gapping hole in the ground. Other posters have expressed similar issues with City services. Unfortunately it is far from unique and experienced by too many city residents.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Your experience sounds extremely unique and not representative of the median whatsoever.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My experience as a city resident and city business owner the last four years hasn't been the best. It takes four plus months to get a building permit issued. It used to take 4-6 weeks. I often times have to take trash to my jobsites because it doesn't get picked up at my house (that never happened prior to Jones). Getting sidewalks and waterlines repaired at our properties takes longer than it ever has. There was a water main break on the city street in front of one of our buildings. It took over a week to be fixed and required taking out 25 ft of sidewalk. 4 plus months later the sidewalk still has not been replaced. Neighborhood residents have to venture onto the street to walk around. My experience is not unique and I think alot of people are ready for something new as a result.
It sounds extremely anecdotal and isolated to your admittedly 200 resident block.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Every person on my block deals with the same trash issue. The 200 plus residents that live where the sidewalk was removed have to walk onto the street to avoid the gapping hole in the ground. Other posters have expressed similar issues with City services. Unfortunately it is far from unique and experienced by too many city residents.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Your experience sounds extremely unique and not representative of the median whatsoever.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My experience as a city resident and city business owner the last four years hasn't been the best. It takes four plus months to get a building permit issued. It used to take 4-6 weeks. I often times have to take trash to my jobsites because it doesn't get picked up at my house (that never happened prior to Jones). Getting sidewalks and waterlines repaired at our properties takes longer than it ever has. There was a water main break on the city street in front of one of our buildings. It took over a week to be fixed and required taking out 25 ft of sidewalk. 4 plus months later the sidewalk still has not been replaced. Neighborhood residents have to venture onto the street to walk around. My experience is not unique and I think alot of people are ready for something new as a result.
It's not unique when it is experienced by the 200 people that live on the block itself and the 9,000 or so that live in the neighborhood. It is one example of many where City services have underperformed in recent years. Citywide trash collection, 911 issues, and snow removal are very well documented examples of citywide problems that have gotten much worse under Jone's administration.
Well i live in a neighborhood that's gonna go 85%+ for Spencer and we have had no trash issue for years. Maybe the isolated missed week at worst. Streets in my deep Spencer neighborhood have also been plowed, both primary and secondary. And the 911 "issues" have been well documented to be fixed, so you should probably take that one off your slander list.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025It's not unique when it is experienced by the 200 people that live on the block itself and the 9,000 or so that live in the neighborhood. It is one example of many where City services have underperformed in recent years. Citywide trash collection, 911 issues, and snow removal are very well documented examples of citywide problems that have gotten much worse under Jone's administration.
So if those are your issues, why will my neighborhood overwhelmingly vote for Spencer? All these things you say are fiction in my neighborhood.
You see why your logic doesn't actually work? You say these are the issues, but they aren't issues in Spencer's deepest area.
My neighborhood also has issues with trash pickup. maybe 4-5 times a year we go 3 weeks without pickup then they send two trucks the same day. Recycling is always completely full so I don't know how often they even pick that up. Roads and sidewalks are terrible and I see no movement on them doing anything different. All they have mustered is $200 asphalt speed bumps. Jones campaigned on north city issues and the business grant program is a huge corrupt mess, which makes sense given her family history. Property taxes are up and the city is flush with money but she's going around and writing $1000 checks to random people. Great plan. I clearly won't be voting for her but I also doubt that Spencer has much to offer.
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I really don't understand the logic of using city funds for direct payments to people. It just doesn't seem like a use of funds that brings back much or any long term benefit to the city.
If we want to go down that road, we could get a much bigger bang for our buck forgiving medical debt for city residents. The State of Illinois has eliminated $128 million of medical debt for the low price of $900k.
If we want to go down that road, we could get a much bigger bang for our buck forgiving medical debt for city residents. The State of Illinois has eliminated $128 million of medical debt for the low price of $900k.
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Preach on business owners! The true lifeblood of any city. If you pizz off small business owners than you’re toast and out of touch. Treat business owners like Fabrege Eggs, especially in the city!!
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I live in an area that will be going heavily for Spencer if the signs are to be believed. I've had little issue with trash pickup but people a few blocks over have.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Well i live in a neighborhood that's gonna go 85%+ for Spencer and we have had no trash issue for years. Maybe the isolated missed week at worst. Streets in my deep Spencer neighborhood have also been plowed, both primary and secondary. And the 911 "issues" have been well documented to be fixed, so you should probably take that one off your slander list.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025It's not unique when it is experienced by the 200 people that live on the block itself and the 9,000 or so that live in the neighborhood. It is one example of many where City services have underperformed in recent years. Citywide trash collection, 911 issues, and snow removal are very well documented examples of citywide problems that have gotten much worse under Jone's administration.
So if those are your issues, why will my neighborhood overwhelmingly vote for Spencer? All these things you say are fiction in my neighborhood.
You see why your logic doesn't actually work? You say these are the issues, but they aren't issues in Spencer's deepest area.
It just boils down to whether you think we can do better or if this is good enough.
Auggie I sense that you have a lot of anger with your neighbors in southwest city. Have you considered moving? The north side could definitely use more residents.
That's not what's happening.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025I really don't understand the logic of using city funds for direct payments to people. It just doesn't seem like a use of funds that brings back much or any long term benefit to the city.
If we want to go down that road, we could get a much bigger bang for our buck forgiving medical debt for city residents. The State of Illinois has eliminated $128 million of medical debt for the low price of $900k.
They attempted to use ARPA funds to set up a UBI program for the poorest of the poor households but it was blocked by a state judge. Then a donor donated money to allow it to move forward.
My mom owns a business. I have all my bases covered. 0 issue with the city, trash, or the mayor.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Preach on business owners! The true lifeblood of any city. If you pizz off small business owners than you’re toast and out of touch. Treat business owners like Fabrege Eggs, especially in the city!!
City's GDP is up 2.8% since 2021 which is the best for any mayor in 3 years this century. So doesn't really seem like Jones has been bad for business.
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Could you link where your getting city GDP growth rates? I know I’ve seen it before, but I’m only finding it for the MSA currently.Auggie wrote:My mom owns a business. I have all my bases covered. 0 issue with the city, trash, or the mayor.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Preach on business owners! The true lifeblood of any city. If you pizz off small business owners than you’re toast and out of touch. Treat business owners like Fabrege Eggs, especially in the city!!
City's GDP is up 2.8% since 2021 which is the best for any mayor in 3 years this century. So doesn't really seem like Jones has been bad for business.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPALL29510
You take the difference between 2023 and 2021 and then subtract the inflation rate.
Slay: -11.3%
Krewson: 1.2%
Jones: 2.8%
You take the difference between 2023 and 2021 and then subtract the inflation rate.
Slay: -11.3%
Krewson: 1.2%
Jones: 2.8%
GDP is not the best measure because it includes government spending. The City of St. Louis received a windfall of federal dollars that are likely inflating GDP during Jone's term.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My mom owns a business. I have all my bases covered. 0 issue with the city, trash, or the mayor.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Preach on business owners! The true lifeblood of any city. If you pizz off small business owners than you’re toast and out of touch. Treat business owners like Fabrege Eggs, especially in the city!!
City's GDP is up 2.8% since 2021 which is the best for any mayor in 3 years this century. So doesn't really seem like Jones has been bad for business.
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we've spent very little of it...like $150,000,000 over 3 years in a $35billion a year city economy.
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Thanks for sending. I don’t think you’re factoring in inflation properly because Real GDP already factors in inflation. I’m assuming they are using real as opposed to nominal GDP in that source, but it doesn’t call that out specifically.Auggie wrote:https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPALL29510
You take the difference between 2023 and 2021 and then subtract the inflation rate.
Slay: -11.3%
Krewson: 1.2%
Jones: 2.8%
I’d also point out the pandemic impact at the end of Krewson’s term really throws off any direct comparison of GDP growth during the tenures of each Mayor this century. The growth in Jones’ term is recovery from that dip right before she started. I have no complaints with the GDP growth recovery during Jones’ term, but it requires more context.
We need to know the City's GDP not the regions to measure the effect.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025we've spent very little of it...like $150,000,000 over 3 years in a $35billion a year city economy.
That's why you subtract the inflation rate. Without subtracting the inflation rate, the city's GDP Growth is like 27%.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025GDP is not the best measure because it includes government spending. The City of St. Louis received a windfall of federal dollars that are likely inflating GDP during Jone's term.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My mom owns a business. I have all my bases covered. 0 issue with the city, trash, or the mayor.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Preach on business owners! The true lifeblood of any city. If you pizz off small business owners than you’re toast and out of touch. Treat business owners like Fabrege Eggs, especially in the city!!
City's GDP is up 2.8% since 2021 which is the best for any mayor in 3 years this century. So doesn't really seem like Jones has been bad for business.
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You don’t subtract the inflation rate. Thats already baked into GDP.Auggie wrote:That's why you subtract the inflation rate. Without subtracting the inflation rate, the city's GDP Growth is like 27%.STLAPTS wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025GDP is not the best measure because it includes government spending. The City of St. Louis received a windfall of federal dollars that are likely inflating GDP during Jone's term.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025My mom owns a business. I have all my bases covered. 0 issue with the city, trash, or the mayor.
City's GDP is up 2.8% since 2021 which is the best for any mayor in 3 years this century. So doesn't really seem like Jones has been bad for business.
The biggest jump was 2020 to 2021. That's where the vast majority of the pandemic recovery occurred.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Feb 20, 2025Thanks for sending. I don’t think you’re factoring in inflation properly because Real GDP already factors in inflation. I’m assuming they are using real as opposed to nominal GDP in that source, but it doesn’t call that out specifically.Auggie wrote:https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPALL29510
You take the difference between 2023 and 2021 and then subtract the inflation rate.
Slay: -11.3%
Krewson: 1.2%
Jones: 2.8%
I’d also point out the pandemic impact at the end of Krewson’s term really throws off any direct comparison of GDP growth during the tenures of each Mayor this century. The growth in Jones’ term is recovery from that dip right before she started. I have no complaints with the GDP growth recovery during Jones’ term, but it requires more context.