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I want to live in a city where drivers know for a fact there will always be consequences for endangering themselves and others — and a whole lot more consequences than they experience right now. 
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/10/02/opinion-we-need-more-consequences-for-reckless-driving-but-that-doesnt-mean-more-punishment

^100% And while I understand the mayor is not in control of the courts and the CA office the mayor IS in control of how they communicate our city's approach to public safety.

And under this administration very little has been communicated about the consequences of reckless driving. For a lot of city residents and visitors it appears as though it's just not a priority.

Remember in 1992 when George HW Bush was cauht looking at his watch during a town hall debate about the state of the economy? It became a metaphor for how he viewed a major concern of voters while Bill Clinton famously said that he felt their pain.

That's similar to how Jones comes across on this issue.

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Feb 17, 2025

^100% And while I understand the mayor is not in control of the courts and the CA office the mayor IS in control of how they communicate our city's approach to public safety.

And under this administration very little has been communicated about the consequences of reckless driving. For a lot of city residents and visitors it appears as though it's just not a priority.

Remember in 1992 when George HW Bush was cauht looking at his watch during a town hall debate about the state of the economy? It became a metaphor for how he viewed a major concern of voters while Bill Clinton famously said that he felt their pain.

That's similar to how Jones comes across on this issue.

This would be a valid argument if Jones hasn't been the only mayor this century to have legitimate movement on actual infrastructure changes that calm traffic, reduce car violence, and make the streets actually safer in the long run.

What you want is known in criminal justice and political science as a "symbolic gesture" and is seen as a detriment to good, long lasting positive policy.

^except car violence has not decreased on her watch. It's gone up from 65 pedestrian/cyclist deaths under the previous mayor to 70 under Jones.

And then you remember that we don't live in a bubble and the US hit a 40 year high in pedestrian deaths in 2023.

It just boils down to whether you think we can do better with a multi pronged approach of building better infrastructure for the future AND immediate consequence for those who break the law by driving recklessly today

Or if the latter is too gauche to consider and we just have to wait.

If that's the choice let's see where the voters of our fait city stand.

Is it a lack of business sense or common sense that pervades this administration? Or a combination?

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

It may be a matter of viewing access to water as a human right and choosing not to turn it off out respect for people’s humanity. Something you know nothing about.

Great, let’s make water free for everyone!

Looks like, when it’s all said and done, the Water Dept will be the biggest receiver of Rams money.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

It may be a matter of viewing access to water as a human right and choosing not to turn it off out respect for people’s humanity. Something you know nothing about.

Who's going to pay for that? These types of unsustainable positions is what pushes moderates away. The Rams settlement money is a historic opportunity and at least $10 million will be wasted just because of lack of collection efforts.

What pushes “moderates” away is that people easily fall for lies and scapegoating.

The article acknowledges this isn’t a forever program. They will continue shutting off water when there is a plan in place for our poor neighbors which, last I checked, would be the Christian thing to do. Ya know - care for the poor and such.

This isn’t really about whether we should or shouldn’t be shutting off water for poor people. The Christian thing would be to not deprive people of such a critical resource, as JJG points out.
The article acknowledges plans to set up a fund through the United Way as well as payment plans to prevent people from having their water shut off.

The problem is they are way behind schedule in setting all this up, so the Water department is unsustainably eating this cost. That is a failure.

I shall begin making partial payments on my bill starting with the upcoming bill. Looks like we got it covered.

Let’s do away with all utilities and make water, gas, electricity and, even trash, free!

Or better yet, let just make rich people pay for utilities for all!!

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

Let’s do away with all utilities and make water, gas, electricity and, even trash, free!

Or better yet, let just make rich people pay for utilities for all!!

Your approach is to just let poor people freeze to death in the winter, die of heatstroke in the summer, and otherwise starve to death at any time of year.

You’re a sick and sadistic person.

Do people die of these afflictions in St. Louis?

I don't want to see poor people have their water shut off. But I want a sustainable program set up to prevent that.

This is just mismanagement.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

Let’s do away with all utilities and make water, gas, electricity and, even trash, free!

Or better yet, let just make rich people pay for utilities for all!!

Your approach is to just let poor people freeze to death in the winter, die of heatstroke in the summer, and otherwise starve to death at any time of year.

You’re a sick and sadistic person.

Nah, I’m just trying to make a counterpoint to your emotion-based life. There is a happy medium, people can have skin in the game, and there can be programs in place to help.

Both can be true. Your insults and retorts are right out of the leftist playbook. Predictable, unintelligent, and most of all, disingenuous.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

Let’s do away with all utilities and make water, gas, electricity and, even trash, free!

Or better yet, let just make rich people pay for utilities for all!!

Your approach is to just let poor people freeze to death in the winter, die of heatstroke in the summer, and otherwise starve to death at any time of year.

You’re a sick and sadistic person.

Nah, I’m just trying to make a counterpoint to your emotion-based life. There is a happy medium, people can have skin in the game, and there can be programs in place to help.

Both can be true. Your insults and retorts are right out of the leftist playbook. Predictable, unintelligent, and most of all, disingenuous.

Your entire worldview is based on emotions dude. Pretty much everything you say on here is, and I quote from you, "predictable, unintelligent, and disingenuous."

For example, you say that there can be a happy medium, and then you go and vote like there can't be. This country hasn't had the "happy medium" for decades. It's had hard on crime policies, low tax policies, and bare bones social welfare policies for decades and where has that gotten us? Crime isn't gone, wealth inequality is the worst it's ever been, and the United States has fallen way behind all our peer countries that have gotten way the hell closer to the "happy medium" that you reference. But according to people like you, that "happy medium" is actually Communism and Marxism and Socialism.

It's almost like you're projecting and you're everything you say JJG is.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 18, 2025

Let’s do away with all utilities and make water, gas, electricity and, even trash, free!

Or better yet, let just make rich people pay for utilities for all!!

This unironically sounds great to me. If a mayoral candidate advocated increasing the earnings tax to make all utilities in the city free they'd instantly become my preferred candidate.

Seeks like today's snowstorm would have been a fantastic time for this administration to show off what it learned from last months storm.

Yet it seems like f*ck all was done to prepare.

At this point it seems like they're trying to lose and the joke is on anyone still expending energy defending this train wreck.

Can't even tell if you're being serious right now lmao. Like did you even leave the house yesterday? I was out for literally two 10 minute drives and saw 3 salt trucks on my drive to and from the MetroLink station.

^yeah that was my experience too. Not a single plow city or County.

My comment was snarky I admit--just thinking that this would have been the time for the city to shine. Especially when county and state were kinda AWOL.