I almost want the city to reject the permit until they pick a different GC. Why let that jerk profit off the city any longer?
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Are there any other firms here that can even pull this off? Seems like Clayco gets all the mega projects because they're the only game in town.
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St. Louis is actually rife with construction firms that could pull off a $150M tower off. McCarthy, ARCO, Alberici, Tarlton, Paric just to name a few. McCarthy is building the new BJC tower plus Cardinal Glennon (over $1B total), plus a handful of other $200M+ projects in the region at the same time. Lucky for STL, the construction industry here could service 5+ of these types of new builds at the same time
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The Business Journal article indicated that the CWE submarket added 413 units in the first three quarters of 2024. Did they mean to say 413 units have been absorbed?
I just don’t know where those new units are coming from.
I just don’t know where those new units are coming from.
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It's not my favorite design, but I'm fine with it. It would honestly look a lot better if it was slightly taller than 100
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025It's not my favorite design, but I'm fine with it. It would honestly look a lot better if it was slightly taller than 100
Agree, not my fav either but better than most of the boxes we see being built in Clayton and our midwest peers.
I like the first design more but like that this one is parallel to Kingshighway. Being the on corner I do wish it was taller than 100 too.
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Okay, Alberici and McCarthy can definitely handle the truth. Paric is affiliated with McKee, so imagine they may not be welcome. Thought Tarlton was more civil stuff. Have they done high rise multi fam here or elsewhere? Does Korte do this kind of thing?saintnotstlouis wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025St. Louis is actually rife with construction firms that could pull off a $150M tower off. McCarthy, ARCO, Alberici, Tarlton, Paric just to name a few. McCarthy is building the new BJC tower plus Cardinal Glennon (over $1B total), plus a handful of other $200M+ projects in the region at the same time. Lucky for STL, the construction industry here could service 5+ of these types of new builds at the same time
Tarlton has built many WashU buildings. They're not hire rises of course.
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I'm pretty sure Paric built BPV. Unsure if Tarlton would take on a residential tower, I know they just completed that massive parking garage for the new Neuroscience Building. Korte mostly focuses on large warehouses, government work, and healthcare. I doubt they'd take on a residential building even close to this size.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025Okay, Alberici and McCarthy can definitely handle the truth. Paric is affiliated with McKee, so imagine they may not be welcome. Thought Tarlton was more civil stuff. Have they done high rise multi fam here or elsewhere? Does Korte do this kind of thing?saintnotstlouis wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025St. Louis is actually rife with construction firms that could pull off a $150M tower off. McCarthy, ARCO, Alberici, Tarlton, Paric just to name a few. McCarthy is building the new BJC tower plus Cardinal Glennon (over $1B total), plus a handful of other $200M+ projects in the region at the same time. Lucky for STL, the construction industry here could service 5+ of these types of new builds at the same time
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BPV or Cardinal Way 1? Mid rise and high rise different animals.
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I like this new design, it's not amazing but in my opinion good. It's not a simple box and it adds to the skyline along Forest Park
So new architect, completely new building, new streetscape plan (although same old ugly street facing garage elevation). Not that it would be much of a problem, but assume they must they go to Preservation hearing again. Right?
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I see nothing wrong with a private development team selecting a private general contractor to build their project. Just because you disagree with the founder of Clayco doesn't mean he should be banned from ever doing any type of business in the City ever again. Besides, a design-build team (LJC and Clayco) could be a cost saving measure that guarantees the project gets done.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025I almost want the city to reject the permit until they pick a different GC. Why let that jerk profit off the city any longer?
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I think someone else said it best: "not as elegant as the original." Is it fine? sure.
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It’s not that I disagree with him, it’s that he’s an a**hole.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025I see nothing wrong with a private development team selecting a private general contractor to build their project. Just because you disagree with the founder of Clayco doesn't mean he should be banned from ever doing any type of business in the City ever again. Besides, a design-build team (LJC and Clayco) could be a cost saving measure that guarantees the project gets done.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025I almost want the city to reject the permit until they pick a different GC. Why let that jerk profit off the city any longer?
Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025In all honesty, St. Louis is the only City in the Midwest with such a development pattern (3 distinct skylines between the River and Forest Park). Really, this will look like a miniature version of Central Park. St. Louis sets itself apart on that front.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2025When a classic St. Louis sunset lines up over Forest Park, you're going to have one of the most interesting skylines in the Midwest. The light reflecting off the gold accents and 100. Architecturally unlike anything outside of Chicago.
The redesign will likely look better once built than the renderings portray. I also think people were getting caught up in the look of the previous plan as the renderings were envisioning the building at dusk rather than the middle of the day. The building will pick up different colors throughout the day. I'm sure we'll see more angles of this one soon.
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One Cardinal Way. Their website also says they built Two Twelve Clayton.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2025BPV or Cardinal Way 1? Mid rise and high rise different animals.
St. Louis has half a dozen or more general contractors that could build the Albion. We have a deeper general constractor roster than most metros. Likely more than any peer metro.
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I'm actually and truly impressed by ourself. Which are the half dozen locks?
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I’m skeptical this project will proceed in its current form if 25% steel tariffs are here to stay.
Would think construction steel is made in the US so maybe they won't go up as much.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Feb 10, 2025I’m skeptical this project will proceed in its current form if 25% steel tariffs are here to stay.
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That’s not how Tariffs work. Roughly 25% of steel is imported. If 25% of the domestic market has to raise prices to keep its margins, its competitors will do the same so long as they remain cheaper. Complimentary products will likely also see their prices rise like concrete.
Concrete is very local product and somewhat of a steel replacement.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:That’s not how Tariffs work. Roughly 25% of steel is imported. If 25% of the domestic market has to raise prices to keep its margins, its competitors will do the same so long as they remain cheaper. Complimentary products will likely also see their prices rise like concrete.
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The principal stands. What I described is precisely what happened to the washer and dryer market following the first Trump administration’s tariffs