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PostOct 05, 2023#226

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Laife Fulk wrote:
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If there's strong enough demand, then someone else will open up in their space eventually.
Damn dreams and bettering a neighborhood. Just run the numbers....ugh. They say things like: hey man, if you think cars suck so bad, just build a better car or build a train system so you don't have cars. Just do it man. Libertarian, free market dreams are no less valuable than better city/society dreams. If there's money in it, someone will do it? We're doomed....
Don’t shoot the messenger.

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PostOct 05, 2023#227

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I am not totally convinced the demand is there for the Debaliviere location due to the population of the surrounding area and the fact that there are multiple other grocers in the area. There are two Schnucks and a Straubs within 2.5 miles.
And Whole foods, an Aldi, United Provisions on the Loop and a bunch of other small grocers and convenience stores and even a Save-a-Lot. I'd guess it's one of the densest areas in town, so it makes sense there's more grocers there in more variety than your usual neighborhood. Especially since there's such a dramatic range in the quite affluent to the working class, students, doctors, professors, service workers . . . Quite the mix, really.
Only United Provisions is within Walking distance for me. Crossing Kingshighway?, no thanks. What Sav-a-Lot? I walk to the Schnucks on Clayton, which most people would think is insanely far, but I'm a weirdo. Yes, please open another grocer on DeBaliviere, I'll do all my shopping there, if I can. I tried to with Fields Foods, but alas.

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PostOct 05, 2023#228

^It's at Page and Union, which is a pretty good hike from you, and I'm not sure it's a great grocery anyway. We almost never go to the one down on Loughborough. Went in a few times, but they seem more expensive than Schnucks and the selection isn't as good, se we've only really been back when Schnucks was closed on a holiday and they happened to be open.

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PostOct 05, 2023#229

Maybe Greater St. Louis could broker a package deal with all the Field Food locations and entice Lidl to enter the market.

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PostOct 05, 2023#230

Maybe Greater St. Louis could broker a package deal with all the Field Food locations and entice Lidl to enter the market
its where I shop sometimes  'back east' and was informed on this forum that Lidl simply does not have the shipping outreach to vendor stores here

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PostOct 05, 2023#231

I’m aware. Yeah….Probably shoulda mentioned as part GSL enticement is opening distribution center here. 😉

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PostOct 06, 2023#232

^Did Field's have some kind of DC? Surely they must.

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And Downtown West? Now that Fields is gone where is the closest grocer? Seems like the area is wanting an Aldis
Yet Aldis can put one just west of the innerbelt on Olive yet there is one not far west and east of that new location on Olive

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PostAug 12, 2024#235

Aldi's should have went into the Fields Foods on LaFayette.  Now that vacant location has been sold to A.T. Still Dental - so I hear.

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PostAug 12, 2024#236

I suspect they only purchased it to increase their parking capacity :(

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PostAug 12, 2024#237

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And Downtown West? Now that Fields is gone where is the closest grocer? Seems like the area is wanting an Aldis
Yet Aldis can put one just west of the innerbelt on Olive yet there is one not far west and east of that new location on Olive
There is still a Fresh Thyme at Foundry and a SaveALot at Jefferson and Lafayette, right?

Does the new Target on Grand have all of the grocery sections that some of the ones in the county do?

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PostAug 12, 2024#238

Minimal selection of food at the Target at Grand
That SaveALot is a mess

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PostAug 12, 2024#239

Black02AltimaSE wrote:
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chris fuller wrote:
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And Downtown West? Now that Fields is gone where is the closest grocer? Seems like the area is wanting an Aldis
Yet Aldis can put one just west of the innerbelt on Olive yet there is one not far west and east of that new location on Olive
There is still a Fresh Thyme at Foundry and a SaveALot at Jefferson and Lafayette, right?

Does the new Target on Grand have all of the grocery sections that some of the ones in the county do?
Schnucks downtown is 3/4 mile away on 9th street. Fresh Thyme and SaveALot are both a little over 2 miles, which isn't far to drive but a bit of a trek for regular groceries for someone trying to live car-free or car-lite as I imagine many Downtown (West) residents are. Lack of convenient options to quickly pick up a few items definitely detracts from the area.

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PostAug 12, 2024#240

Said it before: work out a deal where Greater St. Louis, Inc. packages up all the Field Foods locations, (include a decent warehouse incentive) and pitches it to Lidl as the entry into the Midwest.

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PostAug 12, 2024#241

YES!! It is a great store !! https://www.lidl.com/

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PostAug 12, 2024#242

Not sure they’re the grocer you desire. Most of Lidl’s stores are suburban. Look at Norfolk VA metro. All the stores are suburban. Except 1 that’s near their CBD…it’s been closed down.

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PostAug 12, 2024#243

Target at grand is a disappointment.

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PostAug 12, 2024#244

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Target at grand is a disappointment.
Personally, I thought the store was fine but small.   I'll likely chose to go to the larger Targets almost all times.  

And - this is being a little picky - while pedestrian access is absolutely there, its janky.  one serpentining ramp.  SLU kids will be walking there and have to dodge traffic. 

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PostAug 13, 2024#245

stlurbanist wrote:
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Target at grand is a disappointment.
why?

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PostAug 13, 2024#246

AT Still purchased the former Fields Foods and Tim Horton's donut buildings as well as the massive surface parking lots. I am meeting with their chief strategist in a couple weeks. He was tasked with "identifying opportunities for and developing the property to maximize impact on the area, while meeting the mission of the University." 

I have plenty of ideas about the services they provide and could provide as my wife works in the ortho world. But, I'm open to ideas/suggestions if you have thoughts on the physical properties. Street trees, less asphalt, support nearby housing on Bohemian Hill, etc. are obvious. But, what would you like to see? I will try to represent this larger community in the conversation. 

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PostAug 13, 2024#247

^ good news! multifamily + small commercial. i imagine employees and students of AT Still wouldn't mind a place to get coffee and a couple of options for breakfast/lunch. a replacement grocer would be awesome but that may be outside their purview.

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PostAug 14, 2024#248

MarkGroth2020 wrote:
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AT Still purchased the former Fields Foods and Tim Horton's donut buildings as well as the massive surface parking lots. I am meeting with their chief strategist in a couple weeks. He was tasked with "identifying opportunities for and developing the property to maximize impact on the area, while meeting the mission of the University." 

I have plenty of ideas about the services they provide and could provide as my wife works in the ortho world. But, I'm open to ideas/suggestions if you have thoughts on the physical properties. Street trees, less asphalt, support nearby housing on Bohemian Hill, etc. are obvious. But, what would you like to see? I will try to represent this larger community in the conversation. 
 I lived in Lafayette Square for 6 years or so and the Fields Food was an anchor for the neighborhood.  A quality grocer to replace Fields  should be a top priority.  Mixed-use retail with retail tenants that serve basic needs of neighborhood would also be great.  

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PostAug 14, 2024#249

Oh come on already... some of you are negative Nellie's about everything.  Others, I swear, post out their butt without even stepping foot into these places.

The new Target Midtown is great IMO. It is much larger than most urban Targets we have been into. The grocery has way better prices than that of Fields (and Fresh Thyme) and offers all the everyday needs.  Sure, you may not find the 20 televisions to choose from in the suburban store... but there are plenty enough for what the store is offering and targeting in the area.

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PostAug 14, 2024#250

I have been to the Target 3-4 times.  I will go hear (1 mile away) before going to Hampton.  I also used to go to the Fields on Lafayette and really wanted another grocer in there.  It is a solid density area and if can be supported.

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