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PostDec 14, 2022#376

Gas stations are also a conditional use, so there would be a hearing for that.
The meeting materials lays out the hoops they have to jump through..
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PostDec 14, 2022#377

quincunx wrote:
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GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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If the zoning change is denied what are the chances they would just build without the zoned lot in question? Considering it's a pretty small portion of the building area, they could probably still make it work. Are there any other roadblocks along the way? Or was it just the rezoning?
"Even if this zoning change is endorsed by the Planning Commission there are many more steps and opportunities to express opposition and block this mistake. The zoning change requires a board bill. The two-family is not within the Midtown Redevelopment Corporation Chapter 353 area, so the demolition (a demo permit application was submitted Dec 9, 2021) would be considered by the Cultural Resources Office and, presuming it denied, if appealed, the Preservation Board would consider it. The vacation of McRee Ave requires a board bill. QT plans to seek a CID to pay for moving the highway onramp to the east so that shoppers would py for it (note the CID sales tax wouldn’t apply to gas). A CID requires a board bill. If any zoning variances are required, the Board of Adjustment would consider them. This is but the first battle to prevent a poor low-productivity land use here in a city desperate for residents, tax base, and economic activity, not more wealth-shredding gas stations, and protect surroundings from blight, pollution, carcinogens, crime, car traffic, crashes and noise."

https://nextstl.com/2022/12/grand-and-l ... ommission/
WOW I had not read the fine print that they also wanted to divert the sales tax from the convenience store toward a better onramp to serve their customers. JFC. 

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PostDec 14, 2022#378

There are so many red flags with this development. 

Gas stations are, whether we like it or not, still needed -- but they shouldn't be on college campuses, medical campuses, along major arterial roads with the busiest bus line in the state, maybe half a mile from Metrolink, or near an emerging retail and entertainment district.

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PostDec 14, 2022#379

Perhaps an argument that has not been expanded upon as much is that this would directly lead to significantly increased vehicular traffic along the pathway that ambulances take to the two hospitals down the block, leading to increased variables in traffic collisions and backups. It can reasonably be argued that the proposed development will cost people's lives. 

Just a thought. 

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PostDec 14, 2022#380

🚨🚨Breaking QT withdrew their petition to rezone 3616 McRee to facilitate the not-so-grand gas station! Way to go everyone! 💪

PostDec 15, 2022#381

If i heard correctly there were 2 for and 101 against written comments.

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PostDec 15, 2022#382

quincunx wrote:🚨🚨Breaking QT withdrew their petition to rezone 3616 McRee to facilitate the not-so-grand gas station! Way to go everyone! 💪
It’s the small things. Makes the time I took to write the email feel a little more worth it!

Let’s flood inboxes more frequently!

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PostDec 15, 2022#383

Does this mean the Qt on grand is dead? Or is something else needed for that to be confirmed?


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PostDec 15, 2022#384

It could also mean QT folks are regrouping to develop another site plan - maybe one that does not require special clearances…

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PostDec 15, 2022#385

^ 100%

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PostDec 15, 2022#386

Still this shows that this is far from a done deal and that we must be vigilant against similar proposals.

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PostDec 15, 2022#387

TexanStLouisan wrote:
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Does this mean the Qt on grand is dead? Or is something else needed for that to be confirmed?


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No, they still own the land. We must stay vigilant and hold the line.

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PostDec 15, 2022#388

quincunx wrote:
Dec 15, 2022
If i heard correctly there were 2 for and 101 against written comments.
hot damn! 👏

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PostDec 15, 2022#389

pattimagee wrote:
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quincunx wrote:
Dec 15, 2022
If i heard correctly there were 2 for and 101 against written comments.
hot damn! 👏
Awesome!  I was one of the 101 written against and received acknowledgement that it would be shared.  We can and should have better use at this site!

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PostDec 15, 2022#390

I can't understand the rationale behind Midtown Redevelopment Corporation's support for this project.  Granted, the letter of support submitted by the applicant was from 2020, but it seems completely antithetical to their goals and vision for area.  Has anyone talked to Brooks Goedeker for an explanation? And more importantly, does STLMRC still support the QT in this location?  

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PostDec 15, 2022#391

Well done, all! 

^My guess is that SLU likely hopes that QT at this intersection would put the BP closer to the hospital out of business, allowing them to purchase that site and build there.  

I might be giving them too much credit.  From the devil's advocate perspective, a new well maintained QT next to the highway beats the heck out of the current gas option in the area, and if it were to go away and something grand get built on it and the adjacent lots...

Not saying we should accept that BUT, it could be an end goal. 

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PostDec 16, 2022#392

stlgasm wrote:
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I can't understand the rationale behind Midtown Redevelopment Corporation's support for this project.  Granted, the letter of support submitted by the applicant was from 2020, but it seems completely antithetical to their goals and vision for area.  Has anyone talked to Brooks Goedeker for an explanation? And more importantly, does STLMRC still support the QT in this location?  
The rationale is money. And remember, this is an institution with a very poor record on urban design, including threatening to move the hospital out to the county if the city didn't approve the demolition of the Pevely building.  The city never should have given it Chapter 353 development rights, but it is what it is.  As for whether it still supports a QT at that location, it may hope that QT backs off but as it sold the property to QT it has to be supportive of QT's plans.  Ultimately, I wouldn't be surprised if QT goes down the litigation route as it has elsewhere if it really is determined to open there but is denied.  Anyway, it's SLU that is the true baddy here.

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PostDec 16, 2022#393

quincunx wrote:
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🚨🚨Breaking QT withdrew their petition to rezone 3616 McRee to facilitate the not-so-grand gas station! Way to go everyone! 💪
This is excellent!

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PostMar 25, 2023#394

$275k building permit application for INT ALTS (TENANT BUILD OUT) PER PLANS for the veterinarian. 

Seemingly little hope for CITY on the blocks between Parka nd Lafayette on Grand.

PostMar 16, 2024#395

$2.3M building permit issued for a SLU field hockey field at 3300 Chouteau

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PostMar 18, 2024#396

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$2.3M building permit issued for a SLU field hockey field at 3300 Chouteau
ugh, the idea that slu will build a huge grassy field for every sport team is a little nuts right?  There is a big grassy field in the center of the track and two for the soccer teams on the north side of 40.  No one can share?

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PostMar 18, 2024#397

Don't forget the grassy field around Doisy!

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PostMar 18, 2024#398

STLEnginerd wrote:
quincunx wrote:
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$2.3M building permit issued for a SLU field hockey field at 3300 Chouteau
ugh, the idea that slu will build a huge grassy field for every sport team is a little nuts right?  There is a big grassy field in the center of the track and two for the soccer teams on the north side of 40.  No one can share?
I don’t have an issue with them building a field hockey field in itself and it’s nice to see the investment in the program. There are field hockey field designs that are super compact, hug the sidewalks around them, and are at or slightly below street level. They fit in really nicely within the urban fabric around them. I think that would be a decent addition to the neighborhood. This is SLU though, so I don’t expect that’s what we’ll get.

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PostMar 19, 2024#399

Debaliviere91 wrote:
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STLEnginerd wrote:
quincunx wrote:
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$2.3M building permit issued for a SLU field hockey field at 3300 Chouteau
ugh, the idea that slu will build a huge grassy field for every sport team is a little nuts right?  There is a big grassy field in the center of the track and two for the soccer teams on the north side of 40.  No one can share?
I don’t have an issue with them building a field hockey field in itself and it’s nice to see the investment in the program. There are field hockey field designs that are super compact, hug the sidewalks around them, and are at or slightly below street level. They fit in really nicely within the urban fabric around them. I think that would be a decent addition to the neighborhood. This is SLU though, so I don’t expect that’s what we’ll get.
Well i don't mind that they have field hockey or that they are improving their field spaces.  I dislike that they are allocating an empty lot along Chouteau immediately across from the new Top Golf, that should be earmarked for future low-rise residential development.  And i don't see why the cant use the grassy space in the middle of the SLU Medical Campus Stadium.

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PostMar 19, 2024#400

I was about to say it's better in the interim than the empty lot and can always be redeveloped later (IE the shot put field getting turned into Top Golf) but 2.3m is a pretty substantial investment. That's not going anywhere anytime soon

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