If someone can provide an inbox for comment, I'll draft something up.
It appears to be Michelle Carter. I am working to verify.
carterm@stlouis-mo.gov
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... carter.cfm
carterm@stlouis-mo.gov
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... carter.cfm
Does one have to be a city resident to testify at these types of meetings (zoning changes, preservation review, etc.)?
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Really? Dang. I thought you almost had to be a member of the neighborhood for your opinion to matter.
Who all will testify against at the meeting or submit written testimony?
NextSTL - Grand and Lafayette Gas Station Zoning Change Goes Before the Planning Commission
https://nextstl.com/2022/12/grand-and-l ... ommission/
NextSTL - Grand and Lafayette Gas Station Zoning Change Goes Before the Planning Commission
https://nextstl.com/2022/12/grand-and-l ... ommission/
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Is there any chance of survival for that building off of the Grand viaduct that really only ever serves as a placeholder for a SLU billboard? Next to Snarfs?
IDK, but here's a nice article about that buildingRockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Dec 12, 2022Is there any chance of survival for that building off of the Grand viaduct that really only ever serves as a placeholder for a SLU billboard? Next to Snarfs?
NextSTL - Hiding in Plain Sight: The Story of the Missouri Jewelite Building in St. Louis
https://nextstl.com/2015/11/hiding-in-p ... -st-louis/
Great, thanks! Who else?EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Dec 12, 2022Email sent.
I'm not going to send in a letter.
The Tiffany Neighborhood Association and the SLUMRC wrote in to support the project and that should always hold more sway than those who do not live in the immediate neighborhood. I feel that neighborhoods should have more sway with projects of any scope, especially if it's in their own backyard. Writing in to support or oppose something where most of us don't even live does not seem right. We can debate the detriments and benefits of a new QuikTrip or not, but I have a feeling this will push to the BP at Grand and Park to be shut down which would be a win.
I can see both sides to the argument in this case and don't have a true position against or for it. If a better plan was proposed, which there hasn't been, I might be in support of the alternative. But no one has stepped up beyond the concepts of "what could be". My hope for that is that a developer would've seen the potential and put a proposal in to compete with the QuikTrip plan, but no one did.
The Tiffany Neighborhood Association and the SLUMRC wrote in to support the project and that should always hold more sway than those who do not live in the immediate neighborhood. I feel that neighborhoods should have more sway with projects of any scope, especially if it's in their own backyard. Writing in to support or oppose something where most of us don't even live does not seem right. We can debate the detriments and benefits of a new QuikTrip or not, but I have a feeling this will push to the BP at Grand and Park to be shut down which would be a win.
I can see both sides to the argument in this case and don't have a true position against or for it. If a better plan was proposed, which there hasn't been, I might be in support of the alternative. But no one has stepped up beyond the concepts of "what could be". My hope for that is that a developer would've seen the potential and put a proposal in to compete with the QuikTrip plan, but no one did.
The TCA board voted not to endorse this a year ago and TCA members have not taken a vote on the matter. What makes you say this?chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 13, 2022The Tiffany Neighborhood Association and the SLUMRC wrote in to support the project
Last page of this has a letter from the TCA. Document includes renderings and site plans.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... cation.pdf
I plan to testify at the meeting (obviously opposed to the dumb QT). To say that people who don't live in the neighborhood shouldn't have a say in the development practices that ultimately affect the trajectory of land use in our city is insulting. While it probably won't change the outcome, I sure as hell plan to call out this horrible plan for what it is. It's 2022 and we're still fighting these low-density, car-centric, single-use sites along the city's most vital urban thoroughfares. How far would this proposal get in Boston or Philly or San Francisco or Seattle or Portland, or any other self-respecting city that we should be looking to as a model for urban revitalization? This BS would get laughed out of the room in any city with bare-minimum standards. Chris's opinion that no one outside the neighborhood should be allowed to weigh in is precisely why we're still having conversations like this. Apathy, suburban cow-towing and "stay in your lane" mentality is why St. Louis often winds up near the top of the list of cities NOT to emulate when it comes to smart, progressive urban design. There's plenty that St. Louis does well, but finding ways to squander our competitive assets is what we do best. See ya Wednesday on Zoom.
Wow, scandalous.chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 13, 2022Last page of this has a letter from the TCA. Document includes renderings and site plans.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... cation.pdf
STLGasm, my opinion could be supplemented with a fact that some neighborhoods don’t know what’s best for themselves, so others need to step in. In this case, it seems to many that it must be this way.
I’m not a suburbanite despite moving with my family to the suburbs and then me subsequently moving across the state. I was born and raised in the city. I like the rich history the city has. I very much want the city to succeed. I have no doubts this QT will be declined at the Planning Commission because it goes against the Midtown Redevelopment goals. Truth is my opinion on what occurs in St. Louis no longer really matters since I’m no longer a resident. I can comment about things on something like UrbanSTL or Twitter, but I’m not going to comment at meetings or send in letters for or against anything. That ship has sailed on my end.
But as far as people commenting from outside the neighborhood goes, it still seems like a waste considering this will get killed anyways. Projects where NIMBYs oppose something because it adds density need outside intervention to make possible.
I’m not a suburbanite despite moving with my family to the suburbs and then me subsequently moving across the state. I was born and raised in the city. I like the rich history the city has. I very much want the city to succeed. I have no doubts this QT will be declined at the Planning Commission because it goes against the Midtown Redevelopment goals. Truth is my opinion on what occurs in St. Louis no longer really matters since I’m no longer a resident. I can comment about things on something like UrbanSTL or Twitter, but I’m not going to comment at meetings or send in letters for or against anything. That ship has sailed on my end.
But as far as people commenting from outside the neighborhood goes, it still seems like a waste considering this will get killed anyways. Projects where NIMBYs oppose something because it adds density need outside intervention to make possible.
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^I would also argue that in this case, where the subject property sits directly adjacent to three other neighborhoods, the feeling of the home neighborhood isn’t worth much.
Trying to decide whether I should speak up in zoom, write a letter or back-channel reach out to someone I know on the planning commission to say What….quincunx wrote: ↑Dec 12, 2022Awesome. Who else?
Update on who you're supposed to email concerning the QT rezoning-
Jonathan Roper at roperj@stlouis-mo.gov
Jonathan Roper at roperj@stlouis-mo.gov
Note the date on the endorsement letter from the Prez of the TCA is Aug 20, 2019.