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I would be personally grateful if you reminded these people that our suburban communities have completely externalized homelessness onto the City and that if they want to see downtown’s homeless population shrink it starts with them confronting their local politicians about why their town isn’t playing a larger role in the mitigation of homelessness.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:I would be personally grateful if you reminded these people that our suburban communities have completely externalized homelessness onto the City and that if they want to see downtown’s homeless population shrink it starts with them confronting their local politicians about why their town isn’t playing a larger role in the mitigation of homelessness.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with this point. Just wanting to learn more: can you give an example of a suburban community externalizing homelessness onto the City?

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:I would be personally grateful if you reminded these people that our suburban communities have completely externalized homelessness onto the City and that if they want to see downtown’s homeless population shrink it starts with them confronting their local politicians about why their town isn’t playing a larger role in the mitigation of homelessness.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with this point. Just wanting to learn more: can you give an example of a suburban community externalizing homelessness onto the City?

Every community that forbids multi family housing.

Every community that devotes public safety resources to the actual criminalization homelessness i.e. littering laws, loitering laws, panhandling laws etc.

Communities that prohibit hotels.

Should I go on?

Communities that refuse to participate in public transportation.

Communities that when confronted with a homeless person in their community either refer them, or take them, to the City for resources.

I’m sure others on this board can think of many other ways in which our suburban communities use the Downtown and city generally as a trash can for those people they’ve deemed undesirable.

^I seem to recall the City of Clayton, St. Charles and likely others literally loading them on buses and dropping them off at Keiner Plaza and/or NLEC. Maybe that's just apocryphal and never actually happened...

Also, I drove through Downtown via the I-70 detour last weekend (Saturday lunch time) and was astounded at how abandoned and destitute the whole area along Tucker seemed. Only foot traffic I saw were the drug addicts/homeless ambling around and sometimes literally standing in the middle of intersections. Trash was everywhere and all of the stoplights seemed to be on their weekday timers. I sat at Wash Ave./Tucker for what must have been two minutes, no other cars, just some guy tweaking in the middle of the road.  Maybe not indicative of the general situation down there, but as a long-time City resident, including a few years downtown, I'm beginning to sympathize with my normie friends/relatives in the 'burbs who think DT is indeed a complete *hole beyond redemption.

I go downtown often enough and really don't feel the same way at all about the area. 

There is undeniable potential, and I think we clearly have reason to hope for vibrancy in the coming years. 

Downtown haters raise a major red flag with me. 

SB in BH wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

^I seem to recall the City of Clayton, St. Charles and likely others literally loading them on buses and dropping them off at Keiner Plaza and/or NLEC. Maybe that's just apocryphal and never actually happened...

Also, I drove through Downtown via the I-70 detour last weekend (Saturday lunch time) and was astounded at how abandoned and destitute the whole area along Tucker seemed. Only foot traffic I saw were the drug addicts/homeless ambling around and sometimes literally standing in the middle of intersections. Trash was everywhere and all of the stoplights seemed to be on their weekday timers. I sat at Wash Ave./Tucker for what must have been two minutes, no other cars, just some guy tweaking in the middle of the road.  Maybe not indicative of the general situation down there, but as a long-time City resident, including a few years downtown, I'm beginning to sympathize with my normie friends/relatives in the 'burbs who think DT is indeed a complete *hole beyond redemption.

For what it's worth, Tucker is a poor place to judge pedestrian vibrancy of downtown as a whole, it's the street that the city has made most hostile to foot traffic and it shows in what establishments choose to front that thoroughfare. Many people will walk routes that take them along Tucker as little as possible. Tucker seems to be the city's best effort to suck as much life out of the neighborhood as they can.

Why don't ya'll name names in this kind of thing?  Hell, I have no problem calling out DB for his (pro-bono?) downtown PR work. LOL

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

^ I said usual suspects and you seemed to get the hint.

dude, you post 3x/day on this *uber* niche web forum on STL bullsh*t.  There are maybe like 25 active members and you are now mocking people for posting and engaging in a conversation rather than just ignoring said conversation?  that's just....***** weird.

carry on.

dude, you post 3x/day on this *uber* niche web forum on STL bullsh*t.  There are maybe like 25 active members and you are now mocking people for posting and engaging in a conversation rather than just ignoring said conversation?  that's just....***** weird. THANK YOU FOR SOMEONE ANYONE WRITING THAT!!!
He's a sanctimonious ..........
He has turned off numerous persons from participating in this forum i.e. personal attacks

Hi. Go in circles about the topic if you like. However, there is no need to go in circles about going in circles.

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

I work downtown and most of my coworkers would greatly prefer to be out in the suburbs. I think their biggest complaint is just the vast emptiness of any foot traffic. It feels almost dystopian.

So, it feels like Clayton then?

bwcrow1s wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

I work downtown and most of my coworkers would greatly prefer to be out in the suburbs. I think their biggest complaint is just the vast emptiness of any foot traffic. It feels almost dystopian.

So, it feels like Clayton then?

I am merely reflecting what I think is a common sentiment amongst people outside this forum.

And there certainly an opportunity for greater foot traffic in Clayton as well, but it doesn’t feel nearly as dystopian as downtown to me.

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 31, 2023

bwcrow1s wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 30, 2023

I work downtown and most of my coworkers would greatly prefer to be out in the suburbs. I think their biggest complaint is just the vast emptiness of any foot traffic. It feels almost dystopian.

So, it feels like Clayton then?

I am merely reflecting what I think is a common sentiment amongst people outside this forum.

And there certainly an opportunity for greater foot traffic in Clayton as well, but it doesn’t feel nearly as dystopian as downtown to me.

You’re inches from a massive breakthrough. Keep working on it.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 31, 2023

bwcrow1s wrote: So, it feels like Clayton then?

I am merely reflecting what I think is a common sentiment amongst people outside this forum.

And there certainly an opportunity for greater foot traffic in Clayton as well, but it doesn’t feel nearly as dystopian as downtown to me.

You’re inches from a massive breakthrough. Keep working on it.

The self righteousness of some of the members on this forum is laughable

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 31, 2023

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Aug 31, 2023

I am merely reflecting what I think is a common sentiment amongst people outside this forum.

And there certainly an opportunity for greater foot traffic in Clayton as well, but it doesn’t feel nearly as dystopian as downtown to me.

You’re inches from a massive breakthrough. Keep working on it.

The self righteousness of some of the members on this forum is laughable

I believe in you!